The Newsroom

GB News

A new TV news network chaired by Andrew Neil

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cityprod West Country (West) Spotlight
Fox News use Associated Press and other news wires, exactly like MSNBC.


Correction: They used to use other wire services, and even footage from Fox affiliates. They haven't actually used reputable wire services for a number of years now, rather famously ending their deal with AP back in 2012, instead relying mainly on CNS, other similar right wing sources, and their own limited reporting base. Most Fox affiliates no longer supply Fox News Channel with any material, and haven't done since about 2008. Incidentally, Fox Business is quite different in that regard, as they do use most of the reputable business wire services, like Bloomberg & Reuters. Fox News, not so much. They used to, back when their straight news coverage was actually half decent. But not anymore.

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But it is a genuine equivalence.


But it's not. Fox News is based on right wing propaganda. MSNBC is based on actual reporting. There is no equivalence, unless you consider right wing propaganda to have the same value as actual reporting, which I do not.



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On topic, I wonder how much agency stuff will find its way on GB News. They claim 6500 hours of content a year, 17.5 hours a day. Finding it hard to reconcile what Andrew Neil said about talent led shows and that volume of output. Agency pics/ feeds and news hours must be a major feature - can't all be chat and talking heads.

With a early 2021 launch, can't be far from building/hiring facilities. Perhaps a launch at Celebro before moving onto to somewhere custom


To keep costs down they will undoubtedly use a lot of talking heads, but I would imagine that the daytime hours, will be more news led, rather that exclusively talking heads. They will probably do a "Fox & Friends" style breakfast show, and the more talent led stuff will probably kick in no later than 5pm, but in between will probably be more like a news channel.
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TheSebastian
Fox news used AP as far 2019 and can can see no stories suggesting that's changed. They had a dispute in 2012 over price, but as usual in corporate US it was loud, public and then quietly settled. AP continued to list Fox as a client for new and existing services upto 2019

I agree that the opinion shows are far too loose with facts and are click baiting trash, but this applies as much to Rachel Maddow on MSNBC as Tucker Carlson on Fox

Interesting cityprod points. Which nicely demonstrate the issues a new launch like GB News will face: any debate on news values ends with someone (correctly) identifying bias on one side but blind to the other, with added shade that one must be happy with right wing bias, or be right, far right, alt right, etc. It's a phenomenon that any news launch has to deal with these days. Personally I notice that when trying to be objective in writing, those things get chucked about. As a fairly left leaning, European born, non white man its odd to get be on the receiving end of such things.

More objectivity from sites like https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings helps decode where content sits. It's Web scores rather than broadcast but as most content from TV is reused online it gives an indication of the position
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JCB
Rolling Eyes "Both sides are just as bad" will be the last words spoken when our planet succumbs to the increasingly inevitable environmental catastrophe which could have so easily been avoided.
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Inspector Sands
The last words spoken by the last human just before he gets consumed by flames as the planet burns...

'but her emails'
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elmarko Central Reporting Scotland
I simply do not agree that the motivations and psychology of the left are the same, and I don't think MSNBC is doing the same kind of thing, they aren't making stuff up, they aren't distorting things a little bit to play psychological mindgames because people can do whatever they want now.

This is a entirely personal opinion, don't @ me, yadda yadda.
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LondonViewer London London
IMHO, I can't stand any of the US cable news channels at the moment, MSNBC which recently some people on here were adamant is a 'news' channel despite being a voice for the Democrats, CNN has become the Trump bashing channel while Fox News is now America's version of Russia Today which is pro-Trump. The actual amount of impartial news content on these channels is at the bare minimum.


100% agreed. I could not improve on your summary.

For the last 2 months, I have been recovering from an operation and I have spent a lot of time watching Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.

They are all as bad as each other, imho.

Agreed.

I find all three unwatchable, but you can’t deny it works for them ratings wise. Sadly CNN International has been dragged down too with so much content from the domestic channel. English language news; Al Jazeera English is head and shoulders above the competition for serious & impartial news.
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Markymark Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today
Al Jazeera English is head and shoulders above the competition for serious & impartial news.



Out of desperation I tuned into Al Jazeera on Sunday morning to escape the endless BBC/Sky treadmill of Trump/Covid/Trump/Covid/Trump/Covid.

Within the space of 25 mins there were five or six other stories of significance, none of them directly, if at all, connected with Covid or Trump
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The thing about Al Jazeera English is that it not only has a serious tone and has a much broader agenda than other channels, it's actually quite basic straightforward television news - without gimmicks.

A lot of those who work on it, especially those at the start were ex BBC, Sky and ITN and therefore trained in the UK, so it got a very traditional British style.

TRT World is very similar, but then they basically emulated AJE, and poached a lot of its staff
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elmarko Central Reporting Scotland
What do people mean when they say as bad as each other? In practice?

Show me two opposing things from each side to demonstrate how they’re the same. Make the argument. Don’t just come out with cliches.

I’d be hard pushed to find anything that was done on a network like CNN or MSNBC that was in any way as bad as the kind of stuff Fox News have done. I’ll absolutely stand by that. The motivations and psychology aren’t the same, nor are the motivations and psychology of the audience.

They should put Psychology and critical thinking on the national curriculum.

Edit: sailing close to the wind here with what’s OK and not OK on the forum and I don’t like it. I’m ejecting from the thread.
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johnnyboy Founding member Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
What do people mean when they say as bad as each other? In practice?

Show me two opposing things from each side to demonstrate how they’re the same. Make the argument. Don’t just come out with cliches.

I’d be hard pushed to find anything that was done on a network like CNN or MSNBC that was in any way as bad as the kind of stuff Fox News have done. I’ll absolutely stand by that. The motivations and psychology aren’t the same, nor are the motivations and psychology of the audience.

They should put Psychology and critical thinking on the national curriculum.

Edit: sailing close to the wind here with what’s OK and not OK on the forum and I don’t like it. I’m ejecting from the thread.


Amazing how us plebs need to take a psychology and critical thinking course to see the truth (according to elmarko).

I have watched all three networks a lot over the last two months and they are all as bad as each other. I apologise profusely for not diarising my observations as do the rest of the great unwashed in this thead, probably Smile

CNN and MSNBC don't appear as bad to you because of your confirmation bias, most likely.

Are you sure that you don't need the psychology and critical thinking course?
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What do people mean when they say as bad as each other? In practice?

Show me two opposing things from each side to demonstrate how they’re the same. Make the argument. Don’t just come out with cliches.

I’d be hard pushed to find anything that was done on a network like CNN or MSNBC that was in any way as bad as the kind of stuff Fox News have done. I’ll absolutely stand by that. The motivations and psychology aren’t the same, nor are the motivations and psychology of the audience.

They should put Psychology and critical thinking on the national curriculum.

Edit: sailing close to the wind here with what’s OK and not OK on the forum and I don’t like it. I’m ejecting from the thread.


Amazing how us plebs need to take a psychology and critical thinking course to see the truth (according to elmarko).

I have watched all three networks a lot over the last two months and they are all as bad as each other.


So you keep saying but you can't seem to get specific. What's your "just as bad" equivalent of Fox News' ingrained racism? It's denial of climate science?
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johnnyboy Founding member Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
JCB posted:
What do people mean when they say as bad as each other? In practice?

Show me two opposing things from each side to demonstrate how they’re the same. Make the argument. Don’t just come out with cliches.

I’d be hard pushed to find anything that was done on a network like CNN or MSNBC that was in any way as bad as the kind of stuff Fox News have done. I’ll absolutely stand by that. The motivations and psychology aren’t the same, nor are the motivations and psychology of the audience.

They should put Psychology and critical thinking on the national curriculum.

Edit: sailing close to the wind here with what’s OK and not OK on the forum and I don’t like it. I’m ejecting from the thread.


Amazing how us plebs need to take a psychology and critical thinking course to see the truth (according to elmarko).

I have watched all three networks a lot over the last two months and they are all as bad as each other.


So you keep saying but you can't seem to get specific. What's your "just as bad" equivalent of Fox News' ingrained racism? It's denial of climate science?


So are you agreeing that all of the networks are bad but asserting that Fox is worse?

You may be right.

Fair enough if you are but that still means that they're all bad.

I don't understand your being triggered by my posts so much.

It's just an Internet forum. Go out for a walk, mate 😭
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