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BBI45
I wonder how long it will be till Radio 4 on 198 vanishes, that truly will be the end of an era. Even if nobody does listen to it any more.

I thought the plan was for it to keep going until they ran out of valves?

Pretty much spot on. Once one of the last two valves blow, then BBC Radio 4 LW will go off air permanently.


Here's an article from The Guardian about it
A handful of specially crafted glass valves each measuring one metre high are all that is stopping the historic home of Test Match Special, Yesterday in Parliament and the Daily Service going suddenly and permanently off air.

BBC Radio 4 long wave, which transmits on the 198 kilohertz frequency, relies on ageing transmitter equipment that uses a pair of the valves – no longer manufactured – to function.

The valves, at Droitwich in Worcestershire, are so rare that engineers say there are fewer than 10 in the world, and the BBC has been forced to buy up the entire global supply. Each lasts anywhere between one and 10 years, and when one of the last two blows the service will go quiet.

Last week, Mark Thompson, the director-general of the BBC, signalled the beginning of the end for the 198 long-wave service, which is still used by 90,000 homes in Britain to receive Radio 4 in areas where short-range FM does not penetrate.

Aware of the public sensitivity – the service fought off a closure threat in the early 1990s – Thompson promised that Radio 4 long wave would "find a new home" on both analogue FM and digital radio once suitable frequencies could be found.

Denis Nowlan, the network manager for Radio 4, said: "This is technology that is becoming obsolete. Digital radio now reaches 97% of the population, and there is plenty time to find new homes for long wave-only programmes."

Radio 4 was traditionally broadcast on long wave, using frequencies used by the BBC since the 1930s, but the station has long been aired on FM and digital radio and online. More recently, the long-wave service has been used to carry a handful of traditional programmes deemed unsuitable for FM, while the range of the long-wave signal also ensured that ships could pick up shipping forecasts.

The best-known programme broadcast on long wave is Test Match Special, which would otherwise dominate vast chunks of the Radio 4 schedule. Yesterday in Parliament airs when Westminster is sitting at 8.30am, cutting out the last 30 minutes of Today on FM, while Radio 4's Christian worship programme, the Daily Service, is carried every weekday at 9.45am.

So antique is the transmission equipment that the BBC does not believe it is possible to manufacture new valves because slightly faulty replacements could cause a catastrophic failure of the other parts of the transmitter. Whenever the valves fail a dangerous "arc of power" surges through the 700ft Droitwich transmission masts.

Building a new long-wave transmitter for Radio 4 would cost "many millions of pounds", according to BBC insiders. Part of the problem is that pumping the signal so that it can cover England, Wales and lowland Scotland requires 500 kilowatts of power, far more - according to the BBC - than other long wave transmitters, which makes the kit both unique and expensive. Meanwhile, modern mariners use other technology and services to get forecast information.

Highland Scotland is covered by two smaller transmitters and Northern Ireland does not easily receive Radio 4 long wave. However, the signal is strong enough to be audible in parts of the Netherlands, Ireland, France and Germany.

The BBC began national transmission with the National Programme, the predecessor of Radio 4, in 1926. Transmission moved to 200 kilohertz in 1934, when the BBC moved its transmission to Droitwich, and has remained at that frequency, allowing for a slight shift to 198Khz ever since.

Built under the leadership of Sir John Reith, his last act as director-general after being forced out in 1938 was to personally close down the National Programme at Droitwich before signing the visitors' book and leaving.
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Markymark

Lots of electricity meters still listen to it apparently, possibly more than its human audience !

Presumably the roll out of smart meters is going to render that obsolete eventually? I think the meters default to the high rate in the absence of the signal from Droitwich so a considerable incentive for anybody on a dual rate meter to have a smart meter installed before 198 goes.


My mother has one. All it does is to allow the lekky company to tweak the Economy 7 switch on/off times. The default is 00:30 to 07:30 GMT. In the absence of a signal, it just defaults to those times.

It’s yonks old, perhaps later models are cleverer?
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Apparently Radio 4 (or the presence of it anyway) is one of the tests used to determine whether or not to put into plan the letter of last resort, though I'm not sure if they use the Long Wave transmission for this, but of course I dare say a satellite feed is equally as plausible, considering the LW feed is liable to go pop at any time..
SP
Steve in Pudsey

Lots of electricity meters still listen to it apparently, possibly more than its human audience !

Presumably the roll out of smart meters is going to render that obsolete eventually? I think the meters default to the high rate in the absence of the signal from Droitwich so a considerable incentive for anybody on a dual rate meter to have a smart meter installed before 198 goes.


My mother has one. All it does is to allow the lekky company to tweak the Economy 7 switch on/off times. The default is 00:30 to 07:30 GMT. In the absence of a signal, it just defaults to those times.

It’s yonks old, perhaps later models are cleverer?


I was under the impression that in the absence of a signal it stuck to the higher rate to prevent people building a Faraday cage around the meter?
GE
thegeek Founding member
Apparently Radio 4 (or the presence of it anyway) is one of the tests used to determine whether or not to put into plan the letter of last resort, though I'm not sure if they use the Long Wave transmission for this, but of course I dare say a satellite feed is equally as plausible, considering the LW feed is liable to go pop at any time..

I'm not sure you can get very good satellite reception in a nuclear sub.
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Markymark
Presumably the roll out of smart meters is going to render that obsolete eventually? I think the meters default to the high rate in the absence of the signal from Droitwich so a considerable incentive for anybody on a dual rate meter to have a smart meter installed before 198 goes.


My mother has one. All it does is to allow the lekky company to tweak the Economy 7 switch on/off times. The default is 00:30 to 07:30 GMT. In the absence of a signal, it just defaults to those times.

It’s yonks old, perhaps later models are cleverer?


I was under the impression that in the absence of a signal it stuck to the higher rate to prevent people building a Faraday cage around the meter?


I don't think so, they just give the facility to tweak the exact E7 on off times, to even out night time load on the National Grid. Before the teleswitch it was a crude mechanical timer with a spring reserve to cope with power cuts. The E7 lower rate on the meter is fired from the same relay that switches on the storage heater circuit in the house. I'm not even sure given the minuscule data rate of the subcarrier you can do much more?
IS
Inspector Sands
I used to live in a flat which had either Economy 10 or 12 which was nice, don't know if I was supposed to have it, but didn't complain.

It had a radio teleswitch but it was so deep in the block in a meter cupboard I'd be surprised if it ever got a signal. The time it came on/off never changed even for BST
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Markymark


The 261s are all still going strong aren't they?
Glasgow, Birmingham, Manchester, Newcastle, London, Plymouth, and Norwich.
Will Manchester be the first to go?


I think it will........


We are both wrong, Birmingham '261' next !
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/radio-broadcast-licensing/monthly-updates/radio-broadcast-update-may-2020
CO
commseng
Good grief, I grew up listening to that one.
Still has the BBC Asian Network and Radio XL from that site, and I see that XL has just been extended by 7 years.
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Markymark
Good grief, I grew up listening to that one.
Still has the BBC Asian Network and Radio XL from that site, and I see that XL has just been extended by 7 years.


Ah, no, XL uses Langley Mill-B, a much simpler (i.e cheaper) site a short distance away

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1533

Will be interesting to see whether the Beeb are now willing to bear 100% of the site costs of Langley Mill A for Asian Network ?
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commseng
I don't see why the Asian Network needs to be on AM, as it is on the BBC national DAB as per the rest of the UK.
(I know that also applies to 5 Live, but the audience is much larger).
I suspect that the moment the Arqiva contract will allow, they will be losing some of these sites.
IS
Inspector Sands

Will be interesting to see whether the Beeb are now willing to bear 100% of the site costs of Langley Mill A for Asian Network ?

That is the same as Sedgley the MW TX site near Wolverhampton that closed in April, now just Asian Network. Whereas there the other transmitter on that license, Shrewsbury, had no other services


I wouldn't have thought it would cost the BBC any more, it's part of a big long contract involving hundreds of transmitters. It'll be Arqiva who will lose out

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