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chris
Luke posted:
You don't get as many of the big ITN to BBC and vice versa crossovers these days. A lot of the time it's people promoted within the ranks and from the regions. The last ITV News newscaster acquisition was Julie Etchingham from Sky wasn't it? They usually promote from within the reporting ranks.

I always thought that Sky News Jeremy Thompson would have made a great replacement for Sir Trev.


It depends how you look at things but you could count Mark Austin as a recent high profile mover - ITN to Sky News.


i don't think Mark moved? Was demoted for Tom Bradby and left, turning up on Sky months later - he isn't great on there at all.
In fact it's the second time ITV haven't quite fancied him for News at Ten full time - bringing back Trevor to host the relaunched version in 2008 with Julie Etchingham.


Yes - pretty sure him leaving in the end was cost-cutting.
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itsrobert Founding member
Luke posted:
You don't get as many of the big ITN to BBC and vice versa crossovers these days. A lot of the time it's people promoted within the ranks and from the regions. The last ITV News newscaster acquisition was Julie Etchingham from Sky wasn't it? They usually promote from within the reporting ranks.

I always thought that Sky News Jeremy Thompson would have made a great replacement for Sir Trev.


It depends how you look at things but you could count Mark Austin as a recent high profile mover - ITN to Sky News.


i don't think Mark moved? Was demoted for Tom Bradby and left, turning up on Sky months later - he isn't great on there at all.
In fact it's the second time ITV haven't quite fancied him for News at Ten full time - bringing back Trevor to host the relaunched version in 2008 with Julie Etchingham.


Yeah, to be honest he's never been my favourite newscaster. I always preferred John Suchet, Alastair Stewart and Nicholas Owen. Even Trevor really - I know he has his critics, but he was always a solid newscaster. One thing you can't fault Mark Austin on, though, was his expertise as a reporter and presenter on location. I just didn't enjoy watching him too much when he was in the studio.

Probably my favourite newscaster on ITV News these days, now that Alastair has left, is Mary Nightingale. And she's such a lovely person as well. Several years ago I was lucky enough to watch the Evening News from behind the cameras on the studio floor and at the end of the bulletin, Mary went out of her way to come over and have a chat. To say I was star-struck would be an understatement! Her co-presenter that evening, on the other hand, just walked out of the studio. Shall remain nameless. But Mary was delightful and has my utmost respect.

The same goes for Alastair Stewart - he stopped to have a chat before he went on air for the Lunchtime News. Quite an amusing story that one - after having spoken to Alastair, I ended up in the control room to watch the programme and the director said something like "We're using camera 6 today, Alastair" - apparently this was code for "we have a guest in the control room". Alastair replied to the director with a nice comment about me!

The other memorable one that I think I've mentioned before was many years ago. I was about 17/18 and considering a career in TV (didn't go there in the end). I liked Nicholas Owen's style on the Lunchtime News and decided to email him to ask for his advice. To my astonishment, he actually called me up at home out of the blue. I was gobsmacked! I recall it was mid-afternoon when the phone rang and watching him on the Evening News that night was one of the more surreal moments of my life, knowing that I'd been chatting with him a couple of hours earlier.

I always think it's extra special when famous TV personalities turn out to be as nice when the cameras aren't rolling. As a viewer that's something you never forget.
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BillyH Founding member
I was friends in 2007-08 with Jasmine Lowson, we attended a part-time drama course together and would go for drinks afterwards. She mentioned how stressful her time working on the Big Breakfast was at its peak and would sometimes have to leave the house in disguise to stop being noticed so much. Was very surreal to see her on London Today when I’d been watching her deliver a Shakespearean monologue in our course days earlier!

Haven’t seen her in years but we’re still on social media and she’s doing fine Smile
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Brekkie
Mark Austin really benefitted from the Iraq War where he was excellent on location, and then similarly covering the Boxing Day Tsunami too. Agree he was always better outside the studio but that said he had decent partnerships with both Mary and Julie but never really had the confidence of bosses to be their absolute number one. Even by the time Sir Trev quit second time around Julie had eclipsed the established names as the number one at ITN, although officially of course it was a team of 4 which worked rather well.


To say the News at Ten situation was handled badly when Tom was bought in was an understatement. They were basically willing to screw everyone over to make it happen and IIRC the original plan was to bump Mary to lunchtime, move Mark and Julie to 6.30 and then bring in Tom at Ten. Mary stood her ground though and both Mark and Mary refused to cover the Ten as a result - indeed I don't think Mary has hosted the Ten since to my knowledge.
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itsrobert Founding member
Mark Austin really benefitted from the Iraq War where he was excellent on location, and then similarly covering the Boxing Day Tsunami too. Agree he was always better outside the studio but that said he had decent partnerships with both Mary and Julie but never really had the confidence of bosses to be their absolute number one. Even by the time Sir Trev quit second time around Julie had eclipsed the established names as the number one at ITN, although officially of course it was a team of 4 which worked rather well.


To say the News at Ten situation was handled badly when Tom was bought in was an understatement. They were basically willing to screw everyone over to make it happen and IIRC the original plan was to bump Mary to lunchtime, move Mark and Julie to 6.30 and then bring in Tom at Ten. Mary stood her ground though and both Mark and Mary refused to cover the Ten as a result - indeed I don't think Mary has hosted the Ten since to my knowledge.


That whole affair was strange from start to finish. There must have been more to it than was released/leaked.

It seemed weird at the time how they effectively bumped everyone for Tom Bradby. OK he had been at ITN a long time (since the mid-90s at least, I think) but he was very much a correspondent and was pretty untested as a newscaster. To appoint him straight to News at Ten, Elections and Budgets was the most meteoric rise I think I've ever known. Anybody else would have made the transition from correspondent to maybe weekend or lunchtime newscaster for a while, then maybe on to the evening bulletin before the top job. Maybe even moving briefly to another broadcaster, as we've discussed. That's how all his predecessors did it. It just seemed very odd and as though there was another reason behind his promotion. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, though?

You can understand Mark and Mary being ticked off and refusing to do NAT. If they were no longer good enough for the main role, then to ask them to cover is pushing it a bit! Since Tom Bradby took over I've probably watched NAT less than ever before. I hardly ever tune in now, yet I used to be a regular viewer for many years.
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JKDerry
Mark Austin's interview skills leave a lot to be desired. He is really bad. He comes across as he is simply not listening. There are many gaps of silence in between questions and he never knows how to finish an interview decently, it is always a snap close.

Mark on Sky News does seem to be a downgrade from his time at ITN where he was main anchor for their late news at 10.30 once Sir Trevor left the first time around.

Mark hasn't fitted well into Sky News. The one person I like now at Sky News is Dermot Murnaghan.
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JKDerry
Watching archive News at Ten programmes from the 70s and 80s makes me wish we had that style back on ITV News. There is a 1978 News at Ten from December 1978, and it was great to watch. Two newsreaders simply delivering the news. Now, the feeling is we have to go the way of the American networks and have big ego driven names to front the bulletins and now with Tom on News at Ten, to give more of their personality in the bulletin.

Well giving more personality to a news bulletin is fine if you have a nice personality to start with, that can not be said with Tom Bradby, who seems to me to have morphed into our 21st century version of Sir Alastair Burnet, the "lick lick, cringe fawn" of the Spitting Image era, sucking up to the royal family - as Sir Alastair was nicknamed by Spitting Image, Arslicker Burnet.
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Andrew Founding member
Well Tom wasn’t promoted as just a newsreader though, so reading the lunchtime news for a bit wouldn’t have really been relevant. He was there to introduce this new conversational style that they decided to adopt.

I have to agree about Mary Nightingale, she’s great on the evening news, the right amount of gravitas and warmth. You don’t often get both in the serious world of national news.

Regarding Mark Austin, I’ve really gone off him since he moved to Sky and decided to start gobbing off on twitter all the time. It’s almost as if they inject them with something when they walk in the door and turn them into some opinionated Kay Burley type. How often do you see Huw or Mary airing forthright views on social media. Pretty much never.
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all new Phil
Bradby is excellent on election nights. I think he’s improved on News at Ten too - I always choose it over the BBC. Rageh Omaar to me is a stranger appointment - at least Bradby was a known ITV face, Omaar seemed to come from nowhere to suddenly presenting News at Ten with very little fanfare, he’s just there. Don’t think I’ve seen him cover any other bulletins apart from the odd bank holiday etc.

Whilst we’re on it, I’m surprised Chris Choi has never presented given he has presented shows in the past on the BBC.
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Luke
Mark Austin really benefitted from the Iraq War where he was excellent on location, and then similarly covering the Boxing Day Tsunami too. Agree he was always better outside the studio but that said he had decent partnerships with both Mary and Julie but never really had the confidence of bosses to be their absolute number one. Even by the time Sir Trev quit second time around Julie had eclipsed the established names as the number one at ITN, although officially of course it was a team of 4 which worked rather well.


To say the News at Ten situation was handled badly when Tom was bought in was an understatement. They were basically willing to screw everyone over to make it happen and IIRC the original plan was to bump Mary to lunchtime, move Mark and Julie to 6.30 and then bring in Tom at Ten. Mary stood her ground though and both Mark and Mary refused to cover the Ten as a result - indeed I don't think Mary has hosted the Ten since to my knowledge.


That whole affair was strange from start to finish. There must have been more to it than was released/leaked.


think it was a case of a new editor, wanting a new face. Coupled with a desire from the top to change the style of the bulletin.
Tom Bradby's always been highly rated there though by the looks of it - hardly come out of nowhere - political editor, royal editor, so I imagine was in a good position to build allies and lobby for that job. Also in the right place at the right time.
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NicB1971
With the 1980 bid - was ITN going it alone, or with another broadcaster?

I'm sure I read they were partners with ATV - so if that had been sucessful, you'd have thought the main bulk of programming would have come out of Elstree (now BBC Elstree) with news output from one of the studios in Wells Street.


Here is the list of runners and riders from the 1980 franchise round...

A.M.T.V.: Founded by a group of television and print journalists. Directors include David Elstein, ex-editor of This Week, Martin Smith from the same stable, and former Financial Times political columnist David Watt. Co-founders include Jonathan Dimbleby and Guardian columnist Peter Jenkins. Lord Lever is chairman and managing director is Mr H.C. “Bert” Hardy, former chief executive of Rupert Murdoch’s News International group and a director of London Weekend Television.
Lever family interests probably the largest, but much of the rest of the £8 million capital, evenly provided from sources including the Observer, Economist, Guardian and Manchester Evening News, Mills and Allen, Radio-Tele Luxembourg, and Capital Radio all of whom provide directors.
Independent Television News: The most detailed bid for breakfast TV and certainly has the expertise. The programme companies would favour this but it does present the problem of the jointly-owned news company entering the commercial selling business.
AMTV: Promoted by Financial Times owners Pearson Longman and former MP, broadcaster and Olympic athlete, Christopher Chataway.
Daybreak TV: Considered to be ATV in another guise, being Lord Grade’s ACC holding company.
Daytime TV: Chaired by Lady Trumpington [yes, the two-fingers Baroness] and backed by Philips Electrical and the British Printing Corporation.
Good Morning Ltd.: Bid of Ned Sherrin, of That Was the Week That Was.
Morning TV: Headed by Mike Townson, editor of TV Eye and backed by Mulinaire, video facilities.
TV AM: David Frost, along with ex-ambassador, Peter Jay and the man who ran the railways, Sir Richard Marsh.
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Steve Williams
Yeah the political correspondents/editors have done some of the most swaps over the years. Off the top of my head I can think of Nick Robinson (BBC to ITN to BBC, I think) and John Sergeant (BBC to ITN) as well. But there may have been more? Laura Kuenssberg did the 'boomerang' like Nick Robinson - BBC-ITN-BBC.

I guess these things are the same as goes on in any industry. You have colleagues who are ambitious with little to no company loyalty and will move at the drop of a hat to further their career - and at the other end of the spectrum you have those who value familiarity, safety and loyalty to a company.


I think it was pretty much accepted that Robinson and Kuenssberg both used ITN as a stepping stone to a bigger role at the Beeb - ITN provided more opportunities on screen and another line on the CV, plus it was useful experience at a different company for two people who I think had up until then spent their entire career at the BBC.

That happens quite a lot, behind the scenes as well. The obvious example is Mark Thompson, he was considered a future Director-General pretty much from day one, as he moved up from producer to editor to controller and then executive at the Beeb, before moving to C4 and then returning as Director-General - the C4 stint was a valuable one as it gave him experience at a commercial operation, which was a good thing to have on your CV when you were going for the big job at the Beeb.

Luke posted:
think it was a case of a new editor, wanting a new face. Coupled with a desire from the top to change the style of the bulletin.
Tom Bradby's always been highly rated there though by the looks of it - hardly come out of nowhere - political editor, royal editor, so I imagine was in a good position to build allies and lobby for that job. Also in the right place at the right time.


That's true enough, television doesn't work on military lines where you have to be promoted up the ranks - it so often depends on people being fast-tracked if the bosses think they have potential. In Will Wyatt's book he talks about how the Beeb's light entertainment department used to work strictly along those lines, you would start as an AFM and then move up the ranks to Floor Manager, then Director, then Producer and so on. He said that worked well in some aspects, but not in others, because it meant all the Producers were really old when they got there, and people in more minor roles would come up with ideas, ask if they could produce them and were told they couldn't because they needed to work their way up, so they'd promptly leave for somewhere they could, so they lost a lot of talent. So in the end they abandoned that idea, in favour of a more flexible approach.

So in this instance you can suggest that all the newsreaders should work their way up through reporter, editor, weekend bulletins and so on, but that means by the time they get to News at Ten they're all about the same age. And some people are good number twos but don't have the spark that makes them a number one, and people get rewarded just for hanging around. It's quite a bad example because he wasn't very good but it's like when Stuart Attwell got fast-tracked to becoming a Premier League referee a few years ago, because it was considered important they had younger people doing it.

A lot of the time they're a bit hamstrung by agents and the like as well. One example is when Jeff Stelling was about to defect from Sky to ITV in 2005, he'd got as far as handing in his notice, but Sky wanted to keep him and so they offered him the job of number two presenter on live Premier League games as well. Of course, they already had someone doing that job in Ian Payne, who was promptly got rid of. But they wanted to keep Jeff so that's what it took.

It could well have been that Tom Bradby - or his agent - said during contract negotations "I'll stay as long as you let me do News at Ten", and if ITN wanted to keep him, that's what they offered him. The fact they had other people already doing that is neither here nor there, really, they can be sorted out later.

I wouldn't say Rageh Omaar was an unusual hire, he was a very well-known journalist, during the second Gulf War he was a very famous face. He had no previous ITN experience, but viewers don't just watch ITN exclusively and they knew him from other places. It's the same with Tom Bradby, really, he hadn't put in the hours on minor bulletins but he was a very familiar face on News at Ten already as a reporter. And it allowed them to make a major change to the style of the bulletin and illustrate to the audience things were different which you probably wouldn't have had if it had featured the same old faces.

I was never really convinced with Mark Austin as a newsreader compared to a reporter either, really.
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