Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS: Ahoy Arena - Rotterdam - 18/20/22 May 2021 - Page 56 - Post 1232923

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dvboy 17 May 2020 9:36pm

Is YouTube stream got Dutch commentary? How on earth would the BBC have a copy of that?

It's not from the BBC, it's from the EBU. Presumably the BBC only have a copy with their own commentary on it.

Collecting the archive took us some years. With the help from many broadcasters, we can combine image and sound so a clean version becomes available. For 1974, a part of the voting is only available with Dutch commentary. So don’t be surprised a bit later on! #eurovisionagain
— Stijn Smulders (@stijnsmulders) May 17, 2020

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BH

BillyH Founding member 17 May 2020 9:52pm

Interestingly when the Dutch commentary started, there were a few seconds where the British commentary could be heard as well under it. This ended after about a minute or so.

TI

TIGHazard 17 May 2020 10:46pm

dvboy posted:

Gary McEwan posted:

Is YouTube stream got Dutch commentary? How on earth would the BBC have a copy of that?

It's not from the BBC, it's from the EBU. Presumably the BBC only have a copy with their own commentary on it.

Collecting the archive took us some years. With the help from many broadcasters, we can combine image and sound so a clean version becomes available. For 1974, a part of the voting is only available with Dutch commentary. So don’t be surprised a bit later on! #eurovisionagain
— Stijn Smulders (@stijnsmulders) May 17, 2020

Presumably people were confused by the video description

"We are happy to announce that broadcaster BBC has made available the Eurovision Song Contest 1974!"

VA

valley 17 May 2020 10:55pm

TIGHazard posted:

dvboy posted:

Gary McEwan posted:

Is YouTube stream got Dutch commentary? How on earth would the BBC have a copy of that?

It's not from the BBC, it's from the EBU. Presumably the BBC only have a copy with their own commentary on it.

Collecting the archive took us some years. With the help from many broadcasters, we can combine image and sound so a clean version becomes available. For 1974, a part of the voting is only available with Dutch commentary. So don’t be surprised a bit later on! #eurovisionagain
— Stijn Smulders (@stijnsmulders) May 17, 2020

Presumably people were confused by the video description

"We are happy to announce that broadcaster BBC has made available the Eurovision Song Contest 1974!"

Which would be a rights-related statement, I imagine?

TI

tightrope78 17 May 2020 10:56pm

TIGHazard posted:

dvboy posted:

Gary McEwan posted:

Is YouTube stream got Dutch commentary? How on earth would the BBC have a copy of that?

It's not from the BBC, it's from the EBU. Presumably the BBC only have a copy with their own commentary on it.

Collecting the archive took us some years. With the help from many broadcasters, we can combine image and sound so a clean version becomes available. For 1974, a part of the voting is only available with Dutch commentary. So don’t be surprised a bit later on! #eurovisionagain
— Stijn Smulders (@stijnsmulders) May 17, 2020

Presumably people were confused by the video description

"We are happy to announce that broadcaster BBC has made available the Eurovision Song Contest 1974!"

That’s because the BBC still retain the copyright for the broadcast so their permission will have been required to show it.

TI

tightrope78 17 May 2020 11:45pm

DavidWhitfield posted:

I find it interesting that the three acts which seemed to get the most interest online ( Daði og Gagnamagnið for Iceland, Little Big for Russia, and The Roop for Lithuania) are among those not confirmed for next year, though, of course, it's not as though there's not time yet for this to change with a year to go until the 2021 event.

As regards Daði Freyr it has been a bit weird. Originally he said he didn't want to compete in 2021. Under some pressure RÚV offered him the chance to compete in Söngvakeppnin next year but he didn't seem too impressed with. It all got a bit unseemly when on Thursday night, after winning the SVT replacement show, Christer Bjorkman offered him a place in Melodifestivalen next year!

MA

Markymark 18 May 2020 9:07am

Not really worthy of a separate thread, but Netherlands and broadcasting related, the IBC Amsterdam show in September has been cancelled

https://show.ibc.org/ibc-statement-on-coronavirus

NG

noggin Founding member 18 May 2020 9:31am

tightrope78 posted:

DavidWhitfield posted:

I find it interesting that the three acts which seemed to get the most interest online ( Daði og Gagnamagnið for Iceland, Little Big for Russia, and The Roop for Lithuania) are among those not confirmed for next year, though, of course, it's not as though there's not time yet for this to change with a year to go until the 2021 event.

As regards Daði Freyr it has been a bit weird. Originally he said he didn't want to compete in 2021. Under some pressure RÚV offered him the chance to compete in Söngvakeppnin next year but he didn't seem too impressed with. It all got a bit unseemly when on Thursday night, after winning the SVT replacement show, Christer Bjorkman offered him a place in Melodifestivalen next year!

Did Christer offer him a place (i.e. to compete?), or just the opportunity to perform ?

NG

noggin Founding member 18 May 2020 9:34am

TIGHazard posted:

dvboy posted:

Gary McEwan posted:

Is YouTube stream got Dutch commentary? How on earth would the BBC have a copy of that?

It's not from the BBC, it's from the EBU. Presumably the BBC only have a copy with their own commentary on it.

Collecting the archive took us some years. With the help from many broadcasters, we can combine image and sound so a clean version becomes available. For 1974, a part of the voting is only available with Dutch commentary. So don’t be surprised a bit later on! #eurovisionagain
— Stijn Smulders (@stijnsmulders) May 17, 2020

Presumably people were confused by the video description

"We are happy to announce that broadcaster BBC has made available the Eurovision Song Contest 1974!"

Yes - understandable - but the BBC made it available by granting permission to use it, not necessarily by providing the master tape/file that is used. The rights to all of the contests up until the early 00s remain with the original broadcaster, not the EBU.

A few years ago the EBU requested that all broadcasters submit everything they have in terms of audio and video recordings from previous contests so that they could create a definitive archive of the contest within the EBU.

Most broadcasters won't have archived a clean copy of the contest - they will have recorded their own version complete with commentary.

IT

IndigoTucker 18 May 2020 9:42am

Yes the EBU now have rebuilt the archive of Eurovisions for internal use from different broadcasters off-air recordings, even fan recordings, to build as clean a copy as possible from the different sources. They even dubbed the stereo audio over from the FM simulcasts where available.

MD

MrDexB 18 May 2020 10:05am

noggin posted:

tightrope78 posted:

DavidWhitfield posted:

I find it interesting that the three acts which seemed to get the most interest online ( Daði og Gagnamagnið for Iceland, Little Big for Russia, and The Roop for Lithuania) are among those not confirmed for next year, though, of course, it's not as though there's not time yet for this to change with a year to go until the 2021 event.

As regards Daði Freyr it has been a bit weird. Originally he said he didn't want to compete in 2021. Under some pressure RÚV offered him the chance to compete in Söngvakeppnin next year but he didn't seem too impressed with. It all got a bit unseemly when on Thursday night, after winning the SVT replacement show, Christer Bjorkman offered him a place in Melodifestivalen next year!

Did Christer offer him a place (i.e. to compete?), or just the opportunity to perform ?

Daði is only performing as a guest, after winning Sweden: Sveriges 12:a.

NG

noggin Founding member 18 May 2020 10:34am

IndigoTucker posted:

Yes the EBU now have rebuilt the archive of Eurovisions for internal use from different broadcasters off-air recordings, even fan recordings, to build as clean a copy as possible from the different sources.

Why would the broadcaster recordings be off-air? Most UK broadcasters recorded either the output of presentation (the BBC routinely did this for live events) or the output of the studio feeding presentation when making recordings of live shows.

Off-air recording wasn't that common (as it was significantly poorer quality than a baseband recording) - though it was used in some cases I believe.

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They even dubbed the stereo audio over from the FM simulcasts where available.

Yes - I can imagine that if the FM simulcast was stereo but the TV broadcast was mono, then the original VT recording would have been mono (and the radio archive recording stereo).

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