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Rich Tea715 posts since 16 Apr 2017
Anglia (West) Look East
The cutting short of songs really is annoying me now anyway, it really is excessive .



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You think it's annoying now James, well I can tell you that back at the time when these songs were in the charts it was beyond infuriating to see everything getting cut off left right and centre throughout the entire show. Recent shows have left me revisiting my displeasure of TOTP at this period all over again.

The No1 getting chopped is beyond the joke. Notice how on the edition with Marc/Gene top for the third week they played the first half of the song before cutting it off in its prime, then last week in its fourth and last week on top they came into the song halfway through, almost as if starting from where they had cut it off the previous week.

The editing at times comes across like the work of amateurs. Yet we've had mostly half hour, or 28/29 minute shows since early 1985 and the vast majority of those shows did not feel like they were being cut to ribbons despite the similar time constraints.

Gary Davies recently described TOTP as it entered the new year of 1989 as the "new, faster paced show". This was a woeful description which really just translates into nothing more than a rushed show trying to fit more into a finite time and failing to treat the music with any kind of respect most of the time.

I still blame Eastenders!
Rich Tea715 posts since 16 Apr 2017
Anglia (West) Look East
If we reach 1991, Queen’s Innuendo was played out across the titles and I don’t think they got anywhere near the 6 minutes thirty it lasts. I seem to remember TOTP was also slightly shorter due to the Gulf War coverage.



You're right. The Gulf War began in the early hours of 17th January 1991, a Thursday, and caused the cancellation of that night's TOTP which was delayed a couple of days until Saturday night. Was this the only ever regular weekly edition to go out on a Saturday night? Possibly but am not certain. The Queen record Innuendo then debuted at the top spot the next day and its one and only TOTP play would have been on Thursday 24th January and it got massacred. For such a magnificent record that topped the charts by such a huge classic group that was diabolical and it's amazing I can still remember clearly to this day my irritation.

Innuendo was considered a second Bohemian Rhapsody at that time which begs the question, did TOTP back in late 1975 and early 1976 ever shorten the 6 minutes of that on any of the many weeks it ended the show at No1? I bet they did when it returned to the top at the end of 1991. I'll have to check as I've got a couple of those shows on old VHS.

The BBC genome does not take into account the many schedule alterations that took place at the time in early 1991.

Even this week in February 1989 with a similarly longish and rather grand No1 production from Simple Minds with Belfast Child, the track was treated very poorly, starting the song a long way into it and even having done that they snipped the ending off too.

Instead of trying to impossibly squeeze 12 songs into fractionally less than half an hour, plus a countdown in three parts they'd have been far better to have given more time to 7 or 8 songs and had a think about how to deliver the countdown in a more time effective manner.

I always thought the perfect time for an edition of TOTP was 40 to 45 minutes. Thirty minutes was too short and sixty would maybe be a touch too much.
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Colm (previously Col) 3,520 posts since 6 Jan 2003
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
There's a 1992 edition which went out on a Saturday due to sports coverage...

(checks Popscene)

...Saturday 13th June 1992 at 5.30pm...

(checks Genome)

...as BBC1 were showing live coverage of Yugoslavia v England in the Euro 92 championship on the Thursday night, and CIS v Germany on the Friday.

I'd thought it was an athletics event which caused that particular schedule shift, but it turns out I was thinking of an August '94 edition which was a live broadcast on a Wednesday evening instead.
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Steve Williams3,015 posts since 1 Aug 2008
There's a 1992 edition which went out on a Saturday due to sports coverage...

(checks Popscene)

...Saturday 13th June 1992 at 5.30pm...


Yes, and I remember the Radio Times made great play of it being the first Saturday Pops for at least 25 years and how interesting it would be to see what effect it had on the charts as viewers wouldn't be able to buy any records they saw before the new chart was compiled. But of course it was actually the second time it had been on Saturday in under two years.

That was the first time the move to Saturday had been planned in advance, mind, the one on the first day of the Gulf War - which was shown at 6.25 on the Saturday, replacing Allo Allo - was always intended for the regular slot. BBC1 was pretty much non-stop news that day, with just breaks for Neighbours and 'stEnders.

Anyway, to give the opposite view, I think I might prefer the current Pops format, I know it's a bit annoying for some records getting chopped out, but I think rather that than a handful of records and a load of stuff not being played at all, and I also think it's more effective than circa 1985 when it was a couple of records in full and then thirty second chunks in the Breakers and Top 10 Videos. And the less we hear of Belfast Child, the better.
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NorthTonight585 posts since 29 Jul 2008
STV North Reporting Scotland
If we reach 1991, Queen’s Innuendo was played out across the titles and I don’t think they got anywhere near the 6 minutes thirty it lasts. I seem to remember TOTP was also slightly shorter due to the Gulf War coverage.



You're right. The Gulf War began in the early hours of 17th January 1991, a Thursday, and caused the cancellation of that night's TOTP which was delayed a couple of days until Saturday night. Was this the only ever regular weekly edition to go out on a Saturday night? Possibly but am not certain. The Queen record Innuendo then debuted at the top spot the next day and its one and only TOTP play would have been on Thursday 24th January and it got massacred. For such a magnificent record that topped the charts by such a huge classic group that was diabolical and it's amazing I can still remember clearly to this day my irritation.

Innuendo was considered a second Bohemian Rhapsody at that time which begs the question, did TOTP back in late 1975 and early 1976 ever shorten the 6 minutes of that on any of the many weeks it ended the show at No1? I bet they did when it returned to the top at the end of 1991. I'll have to check as I've got a couple of those shows on old VHS.

The BBC genome does not take into account the many schedule alterations that took place at the time in early 1991.

Even this week in February 1989 with a similarly longish and rather grand No1 production from Simple Minds with Belfast Child, the track was treated very poorly, starting the song a long way into it and even having done that they snipped the ending off too.

Instead of trying to impossibly squeeze 12 songs into fractionally less than half an hour, plus a countdown in three parts they'd have been far better to have given more time to 7 or 8 songs and had a think about how to deliver the countdown in a more time effective manner.

I always thought the perfect time for an edition of TOTP was 40 to 45 minutes. Thirty minutes was too short and sixty would maybe be a touch too much.


I think they may have played the full Bo Rhap at Christmas 1991 but not sure about other weeks. I remember one week ( at least ) they played the “ other side “, as it was a double A side, “ These Are the Days of Our Lives “. They used the, at the time, rarely seen version of the video with the animation as well as the band, which had originally been made for the USA release in September 1991.
james-20016,050 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
As someone on Digitalspy pointed out, someone's recently added that Paul Ciani died of AIDS to his IMDB profile (it certainly wasn't there when I'd looked at it last summer). Anyone know if there's any truth in this, or someone's just made a (rather crass) assumption based on his long absences in 1988 & 89 and sudden departure in 1991?
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Rich Tea715 posts since 16 Apr 2017
Anglia (West) Look East
They missed an obvious trick with the red noses on the chart countdown in my opinion. Instead of placing a pair of noses in an uninspired place beside the chart position why didn't someone use a bit of imagination and stick a red nose on the conk of the artists in the actual picture of them?

March 1989 was when those large red noses came out for placing on the radiator grill on the front of cars. Literally every other car, and a fair few trucks and vans in March 1989 seemed to be driving around with them on. That was fine in March '89 but a rather large number of people seemed to like their vehicle having a red nose and kept it there for months afterwards. Infact some were still driving around like it in 1990 and right up to the next red nose day in 1991 too.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/comic-relief-day-1989-ford-escort-with-red-nose-on-grille-news-footage/825222602
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