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JCB2,022 posts since 21 Sep 2004
I wonder how differently things would've panned out if Zoe & Jamie had done another year on Live & Kicking? I'm sure SM;TV would've still made gains over the summer of 99 but had Zoe & Jamie returned that September I wonder if SM:TV's ascendant would've been quite so dramatic.
Tim Goodwin159 posts since 1 Aug 2014
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Jamie and Zoe's departure ended Live and Kicking as we know it. Steve and Emma in my opinion was the worst and worse than the 2000 reboot. SMtv Live gathered pace only in the summer of 1999 with the father's day episode and it only avoided the axe due to ITV not taking risks with the mistakes made with Wow, Mashed and Tricky and with the chaos of the mid 1990s, decided to not go with a summer replacement also a result of the changing internal politics of the ITV network in the 90s and the 00s (you now what). The keeping of SMtv over the summer gained itself some viewers and they like it so much they stayed on ITV and ditched Live and Kicking which was not that good with the new presenters which lacked that what Zoe and Jamie, Andy and Emma Forbes and Philip and Sarah had over the last ten years. Live and Kicking tried to lure viewers back in January 2000 with supergirlie and the Simpsons repeats but when ITV gained rights to Pokemon (and Digimon too) all bets were off.

Personally I think that the 2000 reboot of Live and Kicking was fairly good but it was too late by then and like it as well as Smtv. Also, if you think that Digimon ripped off Pokemon, that Monster Rancher was a rip off of both of them (more a Digimon clone) and that was their second attempt at "kicking" back at SMtv with their choice of Japanese monster based cartoon.
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Tim Goodwin159 posts since 1 Aug 2014
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I wonder how differently things would've panned out if Zoe & Jamie had done another year on Live & Kicking? I'm sure SM;TV would've still made gains over the summer of 99 but had Zoe & Jamie returned that September I wonder if SM:TV's ascendant would've been quite so dramatic.


Jamie and Zoe for me would be the greatest duo BBC have had in the SatAm slot. Loved Ant and Dec too
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VMPhil9,845 posts since 31 Mar 2005
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I wonder how differently things would've panned out if Zoe & Jamie had done another year on Live & Kicking? I'm sure SM;TV would've still made gains over the summer of 99 but had Zoe & Jamie returned that September I wonder if SM:TV's ascendant would've been quite so dramatic.

I wonder about a slightly different scenario - if the Beeb had just held their nerve and waited for Ant & Dec to leave SM:TV before axing the new Live & Kicking. Given the revolving door of presenters that SM:TV became after James Redmond was sacked, they would have been in a better position to compete, rather than what actually happened with the extremely poor first version of The Saturday Show.


Of course this means we would have never gotten the later, much improved version of The Saturday Show, and Dick & Dom in da Bungalow would have been confined to the CBBC Channel rather than breaking out on BBC One.
VMPhil9,845 posts since 31 Mar 2005
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At 3:58 into this video, a 1997-2002 era CBBC ident that I don’t remember seeing at all:



(Well worth going through the rest of the channel’s videos if you’re nostalgic for ’90s and ’00s children’s TV by the way).
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VMPhil9,845 posts since 31 Mar 2005
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My apologies for triple posting, but this was just posted on chrismoyles.net today, despite being on YouTube for a few months and me completely missing it. It’s a five hour upload of Chris Moyles on Radio 1 from 2000-2001, but from 2 hours 43 minutes in there is virtually the entire show (with music removed) from the day of September 11th 2001, with clips from the next few days afterwards.

Even though Moyles has always had a big fanbase, there has been surprisingly little of this show uploaded online until now. The news didn’t break during his show - it happened during Mark and Lard’s - but still makes for fascinating listening as it becomes clear the normal show won't be happening, and you also get snatches of the music selection that afternoon (OPM’s ‘Heaven Is a Halfpipe’ being a particularly unfortunate choice). Clare Bradley, the Newsbeat presenter that day, is audibly shaken, and a listener in New York calls in.

It’s a LONG video - the 9/11 show and related recordings go up to 3 hours 46 minutes. (The video below should start at the beginning of these clips).

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Inspector Sands13,835 posts since 25 Aug 2004
That's great, doesn't he sound different? I seem to remember that his last Saturday show that weekend wasn't quite the big send off they were expecting, things still very subdued even then*

I don't think his following was that big in 2001, a lot of his popularity came about when he was on Breakfast. I'm not really surprised that the 11/9/2001 show hasn't surfaced, i can't imagine there were many people who thought to record it and no iplayer to download it from then either.


TV and radio from days like those is always interesting, especially from those stations that weren't covering the story. There are lots of recordings online of news channels that day but not many of how other broadcasters reacted. I'd be interested to hear Mark and Lard from that day


*Incidently I seem to remember that that Saturday was meant to be Danny Baker's big return to BBC London, but that was deemed to be not such a good idea. It didn't stop them giving him their breakfast show a few months later, many news programmes got more serious or longer in the aftermath of 11/9...theirs got sillier
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VMPhil9,845 posts since 31 Mar 2005
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That's great, doesn't he sound different? I seem to remember that his last Saturday show that weekend wasn't quite the big send off they were expecting, things still very subdued even then*

I don't think his following was that big in 2001, a lot of his popularity came about when he was on Breakfast. I'm not really surprised that the 11/9/2001 show hasn't surfaced, i can't imagine there were many people who thought to record it and no iplayer to download it from then either.


TV and radio from days like those is always interesting, especially from those stations that weren't covering the story. There are lots of recordings online of news channels that day but not many of how other broadcasters reacted. I'd be interested to hear Mark and Lard from that day


*Incidently I seem to remember that that Saturday was meant to be Danny Baker's big return to BBC London, but that was deemed to be not such a good idea. It didn't stop them giving him their breakfast show a few months later, many news programmes got more serious or longer in the aftermath of 11/9...theirs got sillier

On the intro for the last Saturday show, Chris says he wants it to just be a normal show, to have a laugh after the previous week, but as you say I can still imagine it being slightly subdued.


My comment on his following was based on chrismoyles.net being around since he started early breakfast on Radio 1 (when it was called MoylesWorld) and the forum starting only a few years after that - indeed there’s a 9/11 thread on there and lots of downloads of full shows from around that time - but maybe saying he’s always had a dedicated following rather than a large one would have been more accurate.
buster1,776 posts since 15 Mar 2006
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Yes it definitely look a lot more "effort" in those days when (unless you had a fancy setup) you'd generally be recording on a cassette or possibly MiniDisc and then encoding in real time to your computer after the event. That's before you even got around the uploading the thing, which could take forever on a dial-up connection, so what we're relying on now is people still having those MDs/cassettes and taking the time to put them up.

Not listened to the clip yet but I believe the New York listener is American Joe, who Moyles had on his show a lot around 2001/2. I don't recall him being particularly interesting, but I think Chris was flattered to have someone in the US (and of course came in very handy on 9/11). Of course this was still early days for live streaming audio on the internet (and in truth it was never much fun trying to listen over a dial-up connection) so international listeners were quite a novelty.

Radio 1 put their specialist shows, plus the Top 40 and the Sunday Surgery, online to listen again in about 2002. This assisted the explosion in specialist output around that time as it was finally worth doing specialist programming throughout the night (as opposed to Clive Warren or Vicky Marsden for hours on end) as you didn't have to stay up to listen to it. When Moyles went to breakfast, his was the first "standard" daytime show to get added to Listen Again, and then later in 2004 absolutely everything was added, and recording Radio 1 was never quite as essential again.
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