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Jon8,054 posts since 11 Apr 2005
Central (West) Midlands Today
Probabaly with a commercial broadcaster or maybe a subscription one while ITV takes a few bits of PSB stuff.

Yes, because ITV are going to be happy taking all the BBC PSB requirements whilst the commercial lucrative stuff goes to a new rival.

I mean the very basic stuff like sports rights and some political coverage.


Well sports rights aren’t really considered PSB.

But it’s just your fantasy anyway. I know see no real political desire to get rid of the BBC and even though this has turned into a bit of PR disaster for the BBC it’s still not that high up on the agenda even from the Daily Mail. The BBC will either backtrack or the story will just die down and it will be forgotten about in 6 months time.
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BM111,195 posts since 2 Jun 2017
London London
Yes, because ITV are going to be happy taking all the BBC PSB requirements whilst the commercial lucrative stuff goes to a new rival.

I mean the very basic stuff like sports rights and some political coverage.


Well sports rights aren’t really considered PSB.

But it’s just your fantasy anyway. I know see no real political desire to get rid of the BBC and even though this has turned into a bit of PR disaster for the BBC it’s still not that high up on the agenda even from the Daily Mail. The BBC will either backtrack or the story will just die down and it will be forgotten about in 6 months time.

The desire has been long game - something to do slowly to make protest's less.
Riaz614 posts since 6 Jan 2016
BBC News, BBC Four, CBeebies and CBBC should really be gone by now.


Should the BBC give up on children's programmes? It's well known that kids don't watch broadcast TV as much as they used to but if CBeebies and CBBC are axed then it's more than two nails in the coffin for broadcast TV and kids. The next generation of kids brought up on tablets and YouTube, due to a shortage of appealing programmes on the terrestrial TV channels, will probably not bother much with broadcast TV when they get older. This will ultimately drive nails into the coffin for the entire BBC!
DJGM2,699 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today


I remember a Yes Minister sketch where Jim Hacker and Sir Humphrey were trying to "persuade"
the BBC director general not to air an interview Hacker did with them, where Hacker said
some things he wished he didn't say.

They tried to twist the arm of the DG by suggesting they transfer the broadcast of parliament
to ITV (when it occurs) as this was made in the early 1980s before parliament was televised.

Can you imagine what ITV Parliament would be like now in 2019 if Thatcher had offered that for real?


Probably like this . . .

"The Not-So-Late-Show with Greg Mitchell" Tuesdays 4-6pm on Roch Valley Radio - rochvalleyradio.org.uk

(Until further notice!)
Jay Lee606 posts since 7 Apr 2015
London
I see Piers Morgan, Susanna Reid "fighting back tears", together with the backing of the BBC-bashing press who report on every twist and turn on Good Morning Britain, are milking this story for every thing it's worth at the moment, whipping hostility against the BBC.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Good Morning Britain leapfrog in front of BBC Breakfast now in the ratings and viewer share, and the BBC's viewing figures collapse generally.
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LONDON1,120 posts since 2 Mar 2004
Meridian (South) South Today
I see Piers Morgan, Susanna Reid "fighting back tears", together with the backing of the BBC-bashing press who report on every twist and turn on Good Morning Britain, are having a whale of a time with this story at the moment, whipping hostility against the BBC.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Good Morning Britain leapfrog in front of BBC Breakfast now in the ratings and viewer share, and the BBC's viewing figures collapse generally.


I don't think there is a chance of GMB leapfrogging Breakfast at this time, although big news for the BBC, ITV current offering is failing to provide people rely on in the morning.
mr_vivian1,100 posts since 11 Oct 2015
UTV Newsline
BBC News, BBC Four, CBeebies and CBBC should really be gone by now.


Should the BBC give up on children's programmes? It's well known that kids don't watch broadcast TV as much as they used to but if CBeebies and CBBC are axed then it's more than two nails in the coffin for broadcast TV and kids. The next generation of kids brought up on tablets and YouTube, due to a shortage of appealing programmes on the terrestrial TV channels, will probably not bother much with broadcast TV when they get older. This will ultimately drive nails into the coffin for the entire BBC!


I'm not saying they should give them up. I'm saying they can't afford two children's channels.

They could probably get away with moving them online like BBC Three
noggin14,603 posts since 26 Jun 2001
BBC News, BBC Four, CBeebies and CBBC should really be gone by now.


Should the BBC give up on children's programmes? It's well known that kids don't watch broadcast TV as much as they used to but if CBeebies and CBBC are axed then it's more than two nails in the coffin for broadcast TV and kids. The next generation of kids brought up on tablets and YouTube, due to a shortage of appealing programmes on the terrestrial TV channels, will probably not bother much with broadcast TV when they get older. This will ultimately drive nails into the coffin for the entire BBC!


I'm not saying they should give them up. I'm saying they can't afford two children's channels.

They could probably get away with moving them online like BBC Three


How would that help?

The cost in running channels is commissioning and acquiring the content to go on them.

BBC Three moving online didn't make it massively cheaper, reducing the amount of content it commissioned or bought for the channeldid... The move online was an inevitable result of slashing BBC Three's commissioning budget, and reducing it's acquisition budget to almost zero, to a level where a linear channel would have literally just been days and days worth of repeats of the same few shows.
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neonemesis184 posts since 23 May 2012
London London
The BBC is one of, if not the most respected broadcaster in the world and a huge vehicle for Britain's soft power. At this time of volatility about our place in the world the government should be investing, not cutting back. I heard on the radio that the GDP contribution of the UK creative industries dwarf that of manufacturing so that investment would benefit the economy as a whole proportionately well.

Also, while we discuss edge cases of people who can't pay / won't pay the BBC continues to be valued by the vast majority of the nation.

Having said that, all public institutions should keep an eye on sprawl. The trouble with getting bigger is it is incredibly difficult to shrink without the users of those services calling foul. The outcry from a cut will undoubtedly be louder than any of the calls to create new services. Take Ceebeebies as an example - was there a vocal campaign to create a service with 12 hours of dedicated pre-school programming? You can bet there would be outcry if it were to be removed. See 6 Music for more detail.

It would be interesting to see how the perception of BBC value has changed over the past 20 years. Has it increased with the additional services? Has it stayed static given the need to match an increasingly diverse competition? Has it decreased? Is it even measured?
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Inspector Sands13,923 posts since 25 Aug 2004
BBC News, BBC Four, CBeebies and CBBC should really be gone by now.


Should the BBC give up on children's programmes? It's well known that kids don't watch broadcast TV as much as they used to but if CBeebies and CBBC are axed then it's more than two nails in the coffin for broadcast TV and kids. The next generation of kids brought up on tablets and YouTube, due to a shortage of appealing programmes on the terrestrial TV channels, will probably not bother much with broadcast TV when they get older. This will ultimately drive nails into the coffin for the entire BBC!

No, as its the perfect example of public service broadcasting, one of the handful of genres that the commercial sector has largely given up on as it doesn't make money.


The non linear issue is less a factor with a chanel like Cbeebies, parents want to leave it on and not have to keep loading new programmes. But it's also embracing non linear because that's useful too, and Cbeebies are pushing their iplayer hard at the mo. There's no reason why YouTube and tablets mean that kids won't watch BBC content as its available there. Our son has a tablet and uses it to watch Cbeebies content, we don't really let him watch anything else on it as its not a safe a space. Kids YouTube is great but needs supervision
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JCB2,035 posts since 21 Sep 2004
I see Piers Morgan, Susanna Reid "fighting back tears", together with the backing of the BBC-bashing press who report on every twist and turn on Good Morning Britain, are milking this story for every thing it's worth at the moment, whipping hostility against the BBC.


Yeah, I noticed GMB is now suddenly oh so concerned about D Day veterans despite just days ago dedicating their entire D Day anniversary show to piers and trump Rolling Eyes
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Riaz614 posts since 6 Jan 2016
Personally long term I'd prefer TV licence fee to be collected for residential properties via the council tax, with the option for reduced rate(s) and opt-out if eligible (e.g. due to pension credit, or declaring no TV or internet catch-up use).


Will this make watching TV technically illegal for people who have defaulted on paying their council tax?

A council tax default will also include a TV licence fee default along with it?

Can such defaulters then be prosecuted for watching TV without paying the licence fee BEFORE being prosecuted for defaulting on council tax?
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