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Probably a slip of the keyboard, but it was Graham Rodgers not Roberts - spot of inter-company confusion there! BTW, the Yorkshire Post used to print schedules for TTT, GRA and BOR, while the West Yorkshire-centric Evening Post had the first two only.


Absolutely, my mistake. Quite a difference in style between the two announcers as well (although by YTV standards Graham Roberts was quite "matey" in style next to Redvers or John Crosse).
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Markymark6,974 posts since 13 Dec 2004
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I also managed to get a very clear TVS signal on the night of the 1990 Telethon, which I also received on an overnight (with Graham Roberts announcing -- "Late Night Late" was it? -- and I seem to recall him mentioning that people across England were picking the signal up). Again there were no repeats of that.


TVS ended up once, so I'm told, being broadcast overnight on BBC 2 Angus (Fifeshire), and all points north, after BBC 2 had closed down one evening.

BBC 2 Angus had an RBS feed from BBC 2 Craigkelly, which used UHF Ch 27. The same allocation as TVS from Rowridge. There were supposed to be VBI idents to stop that sort of thing happening, buy hey, they didn't always work !!
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Steve in Pudsey10,178 posts since 4 Jan 2003
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I was watching on Emley, but the reverse could have been the case and they cut to the Belmont feed. Were there split breaks as early as 1983?


Belmont and Emley Moor had separate ITV feeds, split ad spots, 7 minutes of Belmont Calendar and in the '70s the " Belmont Weather Forcast " .... all the way from the Agricultural Hall in Naaridge.

Did C4 ('80s) have split spots between Emley and Belmont? I doubt it, although Belmont was fed by GPO/BT microwave via Farley (**) one assumes that there was only ever one C4 output from YTV Kirkstall Road.

(**) How sure am I about this? Only 50% ITV was always microwave into Belmont, originally ITA RBL via Massingam and Winceby, but then BT from Leeds/Tinshill via an intermediate point to Farley nr Ollerton and then into Belmont. BBC was RBR Emley, but ISTR that changed at some point to give Belmont a cleaner feed free of co-channel interference. Always assumed that C4 was always fed to Belmont via GPO/BT microwave along the same route as ITV, but of-course it may have been RBR Emley?

A while back I posed a question as to how ITV's TCF (derived from Emley) got to Belmont. Someone who knows about these things pointed out that ITV was dual fed out of Leeds, to Emley Moor, where the Belmont feed returned to Tinshill and hence on to Belmont. Perhaps the same was true of C4?


All many years ago of course, but as I think I've mentioned already I'm sure I saw an advert for airtime with Geoff Druett taking about how cheap advertising could be and I'm sure he talked about C4 Belmont packages.

The question about TCF is interesting, I assumed that would have originated at Belmont itself, albeit controlled from Emley ROC.
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Markymark6,974 posts since 13 Dec 2004
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The question about TCF is interesting, I assumed that would have originated at Belmont itself, albeit controlled from Emley ROC.


I don't think Belmont had a fully equipped control room (with its own slide scanner ?) It did have a control room though, an ex boss of mine was the duty engineer there the evening Emley collapsed. He was told to grab all the staff, and hot-foot it out of there, as a precaution.
TedJrr196 posts since 11 Sep 2005
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The question about TCF is interesting, I assumed that would have originated at Belmont itself, albeit controlled from Emley ROC.


I don't think Belmont had a fully equipped control room (with its own slide scanner ?) It did have a control room though, an ex boss of mine was the duty engineer there the evening Emley collapsed. He was told to grab all the staff, and hot-foot it out of there, as a precaution.


It was (as you said) a manned station originally. There was a test card, "D" with "ITA Belmont Ch 7" on B7. When E25 opened, it was "IBA Anglia Television", presumably this came from the colour control room at Mendlesham, microwave (BT or IBA?) to Tacolneston (**), then off-air and RBL to Belmont. There was an announcement (or a slide, I can't remember) that said something to the effect that all the frequency gratings on B7 were nonsense because they were broadcasting a converted TCF.

(**) Often wondered about that. While Mendlesham was a CCR (before Croydon ROC subsumed it) Anglia would have passed through it on the way to Tacolneston. The incoming feed must have been GPO/BT, which would originally have been Stoke Holy Cross direct to the Mendlesham mast, rather than via the GPO/BT microwave tower on the other side of the road. The GPO/BT route from Mendlesham to Tacolneston would have been via SHC and then cable via Norwich exchange, so its possible that the ITA had its own microwave line-of-sight direct into the Tacolneston mast?
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Closedown102 posts since 23 Nov 2014
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It was (as you said) a manned station originally. There was a test card, "D" with "ITA Belmont Ch 7" on B7. When E25 opened, it was "IBA Anglia Television", presumably this came from the colour control room at Mendlesham, microwave (BT or IBA?) to Tacolneston (**), then off-air and RBL to Belmont. There was an announcement (or a slide, I can't remember) that said something to the effect that all the frequency gratings on B7 were nonsense because they were broadcasting a converted TCF.


Wonderful stuff - it's this sort of recollection that's the highlight of the forum for me.
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Markymark6,974 posts since 13 Dec 2004
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During the times when the local ITV companies sold C4 airtime, did any of them insert trailers for their own local programmes, on their own channels? I'm not aware of STV ever putting a trailer for Scotsport on C4, so perhaps it didn't happen on a UK basis. Or did it happen elsewhere?


Beyond the opt out local pres announcements that Thames and LWT did, discussed up thread, I don't think so ?
nwtv20038,378 posts since 5 Jan 2003
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During the times when the local ITV companies sold C4 airtime, did any of them insert trailers for their own local programmes, on their own channels? I'm not aware of STV ever putting a trailer for Scotsport on C4, so perhaps it didn't happen on a UK basis. Or did it happen elsewhere?


Beyond the opt out local pres announcements that Thames and LWT did, discussed up thread, I don't think so ?


There have been examples (online somewhere) of Public Service Announcements from Central with Central branding that have been inserted onto Channel 4’s ad breaks.
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Si-Co2,160 posts since 2 Oct 2003
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I certainly never saw any ITV programmes, local or otherwise, promoted during C4 breaks. It could have been an alternative to padding out undersold breaks with PIFs, but you generally only had at most one programme trailer either side of a commercial break back then (on ITV and C4) so additional ones may have been seen as overkill.

I think it was only in the very early 90s when trailers started appearing during in-programme breaks - and initially, when promoting the programme that followed the one in progress, they avoided saying “next” - these were worded as “after Coronation Street”, or similar. “Next” had tended to indicate “after this break”.
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but you generally only had at most one programme trailer either side of a commercial break back then (on ITV and C4) so additional ones may have been seen as overkill.


By the 1990s multiple promos either side of a break were becoming common on a lot of ITV stations. TT (which I assume you're basing your observation on) were an outlier in continuing to only put out a single promo and padding out with long IVC/menu pieces from the announcer.
Si-Co2,160 posts since 2 Oct 2003
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but you generally only had at most one programme trailer either side of a commercial break back then (on ITV and C4) so additional ones may have been seen as overkill.


By the 1990s multiple promos either side of a break were becoming common on a lot of ITV stations. TT (which I assume you're basing your observation on) were an outlier in continuing to only put out a single promo and padding out with long IVC/menu pieces from the announcer.


Yes, a lot changed in the 90s - like promos during an in-programme commercial break, as I mentioned above. I was specifically referring to the 80s (well 1982-1992) though.
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