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russty_russ Anglia (West) Look East
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As I said, I doubt it would happen, though Big Centre TV in Birmingham did show edited episodes of Tiswas for a brief while (until Kaleidoscope pulled out). Though you had to live in Birmingham or the surrounding area to be able to see them anyway.


Or you could watch it live online at the time like I did Smile
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TIGHazard Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
By getting Fearne Cotton & Simon Grant to present and adding the TOTP Saturday segment it gave the fledgling show a kick up the bum and turned the odds around against SMTV Live.


Didn't help that Ant & Dec had left and there was a high turnover of presenters on SM:TV after that point.

Going Live, Live & Kicking, Scratchy & Co, SM:TV, I'd love to see repeats of all of them. Parallel 9 too, which I imagine barely anyone else remembers. As I said, I doubt it would happen, though Big Centre TV in Birmingham did show edited episodes of Tiswas for a brief while (until Kaleidoscope pulled out). Though you had to live in Birmingham or the surrounding area to be able to see them anyway.


While we're on the subject of Mike Smith, repeat rights, etc. At that point just after the revamp I believe The Saturday Show only had Scooby-Doo and Fairly Odd Parents as the cartoons inside it. Let's say CBBC still had the rights to air both those cartoons. Could BBC Four then air those episodes of The Saturday Show as is, with no editing? Or would they have to get those rights for The Saturday Show again?
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james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
I doubt they'd be able to show those things without getting the rights to them again, unless it was something they actually owned. I imagine any possible repeats would have to be edited down to cut those bits out (like the BCTV Tiswas showings were).

In my day, it was The Raccoons and Rugrats we got on Saturday morning TV Razz

An early memory I have of Going Live involves an episode of The Raccoons just starting, and the power going out during the title sequence... and not coming back on for several days.

Funnily enough someone I know who works for the BBC told me how he'd copied episodes of Going Live off their internal systems and watched them at home.
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Inspector Sands

While we're on the subject of Mike Smith, repeat rights, etc. At that point just after the revamp I believe The Saturday Show only had Scooby-Doo and Fairly Odd Parents as the cartoons inside it. Let's say CBBC still had the rights to air both those cartoons. Could BBC Four then air those episodes of The Saturday Show as is, with no editing? Or would they have to get those rights for The Saturday Show again?

If the Saturday Show was a BBC production then they'd have the rights to the programme itself. Though if the UK rights to those cartoons was with someone else now then they couldn't show them.

As for the presenters and guests, it depends what sort of contract they signed, and these days that are very different to how they would have been in the 80s. 'Talent' these days are usually 'bought out' so that programmes can be shown again or sold to other channels or shown on other mediums (online for example) without having to pay or clear again. I'd have thought that this would be the case with something ephemeral like The Saturday Show.

They would still probably have to clear usage of music, film clips etc shown
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Inspector Sands

Maybe Smith ended up as one of those individuals throughout life who seem to regard themselves as people with entitlement?

No, unlike the sense of entitlement by those frustrated archive bores one-handed tweeting Sarah Green... it was his right to refuse that his stuff not be shown. That's not 'entitlement', that's a right. Those at home have no right to see or have copies of anything


My take is that he left the public eye, put his TV career behind him and moved on and so kept a tight control over his appearances. He had a very successful career off screen and that was built from a personal hobby rather than spun off from his media work. He certainly didn't use his former fame to promote Flying TV, the website didn't list his former TV and radio gigs for example. I met him when we used the company at work once and he didn't come in with a massive ego or anything, he was just a representative of a supplier. Took me a while to realise who he was in fact.

Also because of the company he presumably didn't need the money from the repeats unlike some of his more Smashy and Nicey colleagues.

Apparently he was coming round to the idea of his TOTP appearances being shown... and then a clip of him with Jimmy Savile appeared on the news. Understandable that a businessman wouldn't want to be associated with Savile

I think he was perfectly justified making the decision he did, and he was lucky he was famous in a age pre Internet and when contracts were finite. There will be others with lower profiles, one of the regulars on Going Live is now a headteacher and vicar for example. I bet there's a lot of 'famous' people now who wish they could have as much control over their back catalogue*



*Though it is still possible to just disappear, there's at least one major talent show winner who has essentially fallen off the face of the earth as far as the internet is concerned, though she does pop up in clip shows occasionally
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james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
I've seen some posts saying around this time the BBC were inserting flash frames into videos on TOTP episodes around this time for some reason (possibly copyright?), and the video for Nikita by Elton John was specifically mentioned. That video was shown on tonight's BBC4 episode- was there any evidence of any flash frames there? I haven't seen the episode yet.
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noggin Founding member
There will be others with lower profiles, one of the regulars on Going Live is now a headteacher and vicar for example. I bet there's a lot of 'famous' people now who wish they could have as much control over their back catalogue*


Out of interest - who was this? I'm guessing not Trevor or Simon.
JA
james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
It's not either Nick Ball or James Hickish, who replaced them for the 1991-92 series, is it?

At least they get regular repeat fees for the episode of One Foot In the Grave they appeared in.
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Inspector Sands
It's not either Nick Ball or James Hickish, who replaced them for the 1991-92 series, is it?
At least they get regular repeat fees for the episode of One Foot In the Grave they appeared in.

Yep...
http://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/ely-head-teacher-set-to-be-ordained-deacon-at-special-ceremony-at-cathedral-1-1413797
Quite a career shift
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buster London London
Ah, Nick and James. On their appearance on Richard Herring's podcast, Trev and Simon said they felt sorry for Nick and James as Going Live basically replaced them with a the same proposition: male comedy double act doing a variety of characters, so were bound to get negative comparisons. I don't remember too much fuss at the time but in today's online/social media world they'd be ripped to shreds.

T&S also said the reason they took a year out was they were supposed to be making a prime time series that ultimately didn't happen - I think they ended up doing a UK tour instead when it fell through.
DE88 and Steve in Pudsey gave kudos
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Inspector Sands
In fact that podcast was where I heard about the whereabouts of Nick. Well worth a listen by the way
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Rich Tea Anglia (West) Look East
I'll also thoroughly recommend the enormously enjoyable and amusing Richard Herring Leicester Square Podcast, or as he calls it - RHLSP (Rehlestepah) which I've enjoyed for a few years now.

Not sure there is too much music/artist substance to get into with the two editions of TOTP that have been aired this week from 31st October and 7th November 1985. Not a single Hallowe'en reference in the first one, how refreshing. Nowadays they'd probably have to get the entire studio and all the acts into costume as that date gets so OTT by the year. I went to proper kids Hallowe'en parties in the early 1980's but it was never plastered over the TV and no shop bought costumes available, I had to knock something up myself. Same with the poppies at this time of year come to think of it. No sign of a poppy on anyone either. It's fully respectful to wear one at any age of course, by choice, but nowadays on BBC they would literally send an edict from down on high that even on TOTP it was compulsory for anyone that moves to be sporting a poppy from late October.

I do wonder why they continued to have double headed presentation on TOTP by this point in 1985 when the show had never been shorter and now had so few in-studio acts per edition compared to earlier times and was literally half video clips. Peter Powell could have done the show on his own without breaking much sweat. The much longer and far more studio based shows in previous years up to 1982 had only the one presenter after all and they coped well. With only a few exceptions, such as the John Peel double ups, I think nearly all the shows were better done solo.

A few comments on some of the tracks, kind of feel obliged to do so as that is the substantive point of the show....

A Good Heart by Feargal Sharkey - didn't mind this at the time but it seems less interesting now. I'd love to have known what John Peel, a massive fan of his previous work, made of his clearly deliberate commercialism that grabbed him a chart topper, which seems so very far removed from those harder edged Undertones hits from the very recent past of just 4 to 7 years previously. Those other Sharkey/Undertones hits seem like a full lifetime away by late 1985.

Video to Nikita is very much of its time, regards East & West. In November 1985 we had Reagan meet Gorbachev for the first time with that famous meeting which was absolutely massive news and seemed remarkable I remember. Kind of the equivalent of the upcoming Trump/Kim one in a way, but bigger. I did kind of feel that the Elton video was a bit creepy in a stalkerish way.

Matt Bianco, Yeh Yeh. Only thought's are why, why?

Continuity announcer said we'd be seeing Kate Bush Cloudbusting. Fabulous video. But why make note of something at the intro when all we got was such a short snippet and not a proper showing of the said song and video. It whetted the appetite for something we didn't meaningfully see or hear.

King, The Taste Of Your Tears, it's standard fare but their 9 months of success throughout '85 was just about concluding. Bet they thought they were in for a much longer time in the charts with a stack more hits. It did look like it back then. Mildly surprising it all just dried up there and then for them.

One surprise is how much I've enjoyed hearing one of Shaky's less well remembered hits, Lipstick, Powder & Paint. It sounds better now than then to me. I wasn't sure whether this was one of Shaky's clever originals that sounded like an oldie or whether it was an oldie. Well it turns out it was originally from 1956. Someone called Big Joe Turner recorded it in '56 and ironically they happened to pass away while it was still charting in November 1985. It was written by Jesse Stone. Next stop with the next single reaching No1 on Christmas Eve for the first time in nearly 4 years, now that was a major surprise. He'd been keeping that festive single on hold since previous Christmas in 1984.




A-ha, Take On Me - with this classic middle 80's debut languishing at No2 for three straight weeks behind Jennifer Rush I'm sure there are plenty out there who rate it as another one of those major charting top two travesties akin to Vienna/Shaddup You Face. I don't! Just wait until we get to TOTP 1986 in the month of May when a piece of TV puppet show tripe keeps a classic duet off the top spot three weeks in a row - The Chicken Song/On My Own.

Far Corporation, Stairway To Heaven - this is confession time on my part. This was the first version of this song I ever heard, before the Led Zeppelin original. The single itself was reasonable, I quite liked it, but the live Far Corporation video on TOTP was quite abysmal in the extreme. There were points in the video where it was actually impossible to even tell it was Stairway To Heaven at all. I do not know how that video could have done anything other than harm potential sales, yet it climbed into the top ten. Just makes me wonder how far the Led Zep version would have gone as a single.

UB40, Don't Break My Heart - one of their better tracks for sure. Particularly like the intro up to the vocal. Would have been a better No1 than their rehash of I Got You Babe.

Ending with Paul Hardcastle as the playout track on last night's show with Just For Money. Although I could barely remember it, oh how familiar did it suddenly sound at one point. Just like the new TOTP tune he'll knock out come next year infact, The Wizard.
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