JA
The audience was introduced to SM:TV very quickly, it was definately there by Christmas 98.
BA
I never got on with it. It just seemed contrived and derivative, and by the time they'd rebranded to Satruday Showdown, cheap as well.
Hey, I watched the first year of SM:TV and quite enjoyed it!
MoM wasn't great when it began either, it was clearly pitched too young considering the audience of other Saturday morning shows, and I've always had the feeling the initial idea was to give it an "edutainment" approach, which isn't what kids wanted on a Saturday morning after a week of school. It improved when they revamped it a few months in though.
MoM wasn't great when it began either, it was clearly pitched too young considering the audience of other Saturday morning shows, and I've always had the feeling the initial idea was to give it an "edutainment" approach, which isn't what kids wanted on a Saturday morning after a week of school. It improved when they revamped it a few months in though.
I never got on with it. It just seemed contrived and derivative, and by the time they'd rebranded to Satruday Showdown, cheap as well.
SP
There is a huge history of these Saturday morning shows being derivative though. The Swapshop/Superstore/Going Live/L&K lineage is well documented - they're essentially evolutions of the same show.
The more successful summer replacements were generally the ones that didn't have a contrived gimmick and were much the same format - the 8.15 from Manchester for example.
The more successful summer replacements were generally the ones that didn't have a contrived gimmick and were much the same format - the 8.15 from Manchester for example.
SW
Well, bear in mind that is show two, and seemingly that account is going to be uploading the whole series, so in a bit we'll be able to see how it improved. Simeon points out in that interview that the first shows were a bit dull and when Live and Kicking came back a few weeks in (because of course ITV Saturday morning shows always started at the beginning of September, while the Beeb arrived in mid-September) it was absolutely thrashed. But the ratings did go up and he suggests that if they'd carried on and not been axed for costing too much they could have overtaken it. Certainly by the end of the run it had become much more irreverent and entertaining than the earlier shows as everyone got into it, and they had people like Phil Cornwell involved so there was going to be a bit of an edge to it.
Actually my favourite bit of that episode is Simeon suggesting the viewers call their mates to tell them what had happened, because the whole thing was going to be a mess.
I remember at the time the suggestion was that it was going to be aimed fairly and squarely at kids, as in previous years the shows had got a bit side-tracked with appealing to adults. But it looked pretty hopeless next to Dick and Dom and you had the two channels really doing the opposite of their traditional approaches - BBC brash and silly, ITV slow-moving and improving. That was also the thinking behind replacing Zoe and Jamie with Steve and Emma on Live and Kicking, I remember hearing that everyone had got a bit concerned that it was appealing to adults a bit more than kids, with Zoe and Jamie all over the papers, and it was getting a bit hard to manage and felt a bit alienating to the audience. Unfortunately they went a bit too far in the other direction, I know it seems a bit weird complaining about childish children's programmes but it then lost the all-round family appeal the best shows needed in those days.
Chris Bellinger was involved in Ministry of Mayhem but I don't know what that involvement was, and certainly I couldn't detect much of a lineage from Going Live and the like in it, it was very much in the TVS tradition.
Well, you have just over a week to wait.
Thought Wow was bland as anything at the time - haven't really changed my view now. It probably didn't help that they were up against the new and ultra trendy presenting duo of Zoe Ball & Jamie Theakston on Live & Kicking.
Still, kudos to them for the powercut thing.
Still, kudos to them for the powercut thing.
Well, bear in mind that is show two, and seemingly that account is going to be uploading the whole series, so in a bit we'll be able to see how it improved. Simeon points out in that interview that the first shows were a bit dull and when Live and Kicking came back a few weeks in (because of course ITV Saturday morning shows always started at the beginning of September, while the Beeb arrived in mid-September) it was absolutely thrashed. But the ratings did go up and he suggests that if they'd carried on and not been axed for costing too much they could have overtaken it. Certainly by the end of the run it had become much more irreverent and entertaining than the earlier shows as everyone got into it, and they had people like Phil Cornwell involved so there was going to be a bit of an edge to it.
Actually my favourite bit of that episode is Simeon suggesting the viewers call their mates to tell them what had happened, because the whole thing was going to be a mess.
MoM wasn't great when it began either, it was clearly pitched too young considering the audience of other Saturday morning shows, and I've always had the feeling the initial idea was to give it an "edutainment" approach, which isn't what kids wanted on a Saturday morning after a week of school. It improved when they revamped it a few months in though.
I remember at the time the suggestion was that it was going to be aimed fairly and squarely at kids, as in previous years the shows had got a bit side-tracked with appealing to adults. But it looked pretty hopeless next to Dick and Dom and you had the two channels really doing the opposite of their traditional approaches - BBC brash and silly, ITV slow-moving and improving. That was also the thinking behind replacing Zoe and Jamie with Steve and Emma on Live and Kicking, I remember hearing that everyone had got a bit concerned that it was appealing to adults a bit more than kids, with Zoe and Jamie all over the papers, and it was getting a bit hard to manage and felt a bit alienating to the audience. Unfortunately they went a bit too far in the other direction, I know it seems a bit weird complaining about childish children's programmes but it then lost the all-round family appeal the best shows needed in those days.
Chris Bellinger was involved in Ministry of Mayhem but I don't know what that involvement was, and certainly I couldn't detect much of a lineage from Going Live and the like in it, it was very much in the TVS tradition.
Now I'd love to find something other than cooking shows or BBC One's daytime weekday offerings when I turn on the TV on a Saturday morning.
Well, you have just over a week to wait.
JA
In other words, it was a TOTP clone.
Didn't The Noise differ from The Chart Show in that it was live performances rather than music videos?
JA
I always personally preferred The Chart Show to TOTP and CD:UK, was gutted when it was axed!
BE
I grew up with The Chart Show since 1992 (5 years old!) so it was a sad day for me when it ended.
I always personally preferred The Chart Show to TOTP and CD:UK, was gutted when it was axed!
I grew up with The Chart Show since 1992 (5 years old!) so it was a sad day for me when it ended.
VM
I've seen that clip before, she also mutters "god" under her breath after reading out one of the stories coming up on a later bulletin. The sign-off was something like "goodbye, lots of love, miss you" while blowing kisses at the camera. Probably got in a lot of trouble for that!
I mostly remember it because it was up on YouTube amongst another clip from presumably the same LNN christmas tape, where a Richard Littlejohn talk show was interrupted by porn from RTL (which presumably someone in engineering was watching!).
That clip is priceless, it cuts to a slide for Littlejohn and Peter Lewis was duty announcer sounding really shocked, not seen it online for a while now.
I'm sure the same tape features Mary Nightingale referring to Mr Keith Hunt as another word rhyming with hunt.
That's right, it was an LNN outtake compilation or something. I've been dying to see it again but it's pretty difficult requesting that Littlejohn incident and still retain any dignity.
Here is that clip on YouTube, posted here as a link and not an embedded video as obviously it is very NSFW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLrnyUeMc4
I've seen that clip before, she also mutters "god" under her breath after reading out one of the stories coming up on a later bulletin. The sign-off was something like "goodbye, lots of love, miss you" while blowing kisses at the camera. Probably got in a lot of trouble for that!
I mostly remember it because it was up on YouTube amongst another clip from presumably the same LNN christmas tape, where a Richard Littlejohn talk show was interrupted by porn from RTL (which presumably someone in engineering was watching!).
That clip is priceless, it cuts to a slide for Littlejohn and Peter Lewis was duty announcer sounding really shocked, not seen it online for a while now.
I'm sure the same tape features Mary Nightingale referring to Mr Keith Hunt as another word rhyming with hunt.
That's right, it was an LNN outtake compilation or something. I've been dying to see it again but it's pretty difficult requesting that Littlejohn incident and still retain any dignity.
Here is that clip on YouTube, posted here as a link and not an embedded video as obviously it is very NSFW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLrnyUeMc4
:-(
A former member
If that show as live there, then there didn't show it Ie ref to the cock up. Mind you that clip is no worse than what people saw late night anyways.
NJ
Neil Jones
Founding member
Anachronism Ahoy - the characters of Dad's Army in two PIFs about pelican crossings:
JA
That clip is priceless, it cuts to a slide for Littlejohn and Peter Lewis was duty announcer sounding really shocked, not seen it online for a while now.
I'm sure the same tape features Mary Nightingale referring to Mr Keith Hunt as another word rhyming with hunt.
That's right, it was an LNN outtake compilation or something. I've been dying to see it again but it's pretty difficult requesting that Littlejohn incident and still retain any dignity.
Here is that clip on YouTube, posted here as a link and not an embedded video as obviously it is very NSFW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLrnyUeMc4
That's actually better than the clip I saw before, as that had the "888 Subtitles" block in the corner- presumably how LNN's logging tape recorded it? As I imagine the master recording of the show would be done from the studio so wouldn't have had the interruption.
I admit I wouldn't describe a few jiggling boobs as "very" NSFW though!
Still, I feel sorry for the viewers of LWT that night having to put up with that vile, disgusting sight. They must have been relieved when the porno cut it off!
That clip is priceless, it cuts to a slide for Littlejohn and Peter Lewis was duty announcer sounding really shocked, not seen it online for a while now.
I'm sure the same tape features Mary Nightingale referring to Mr Keith Hunt as another word rhyming with hunt.
That's right, it was an LNN outtake compilation or something. I've been dying to see it again but it's pretty difficult requesting that Littlejohn incident and still retain any dignity.
Here is that clip on YouTube, posted here as a link and not an embedded video as obviously it is very NSFW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLrnyUeMc4
That's actually better than the clip I saw before, as that had the "888 Subtitles" block in the corner- presumably how LNN's logging tape recorded it? As I imagine the master recording of the show would be done from the studio so wouldn't have had the interruption.
I admit I wouldn't describe a few jiggling boobs as "very" NSFW though!
Still, I feel sorry for the viewers of LWT that night having to put up with that vile, disgusting sight. They must have been relieved when the porno cut it off!
Last edited by james-2001 on 23 September 2017 11:59pm
JA
I guess maybe those in the studio wouldn't have been made aware of the cockup at the time and just continued, and if the show was being networked then it's quite possible other regions didn't see it anyway.
If that show as live there, then there didn't show it Ie ref to the cock up. Mind you that clip is no worse than what people saw late night anyways.
I guess maybe those in the studio wouldn't have been made aware of the cockup at the time and just continued, and if the show was being networked then it's quite possible other regions didn't see it anyway.