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WW Update
dbl posted:
It all sounds a tad like old pre-1993 ITV.


If you remove ZDF from the equation, yes it is. ARD is a consortium of nine regional broadcasters – each produces programming for its own regional channel (which appears on Channel 3 after Das Erste/ZDF) and also contributes programming to Das Erste, digital channel 'One' and news channel 'Tagesschau24'. Some is produced entirely by one member (e.g. afternoon soap Rote Rosen by NDR). Others are shared, which might work for drama Tatort where each episode stands alone, production of Plusminus is shared by seven members and as such, the programme has seven presenters and studios...


Here's a map showing how Germany is split into nine ARD regions:

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There's a Moma (MorgenMagazine) on Das Erste as well, do ARD and ZDF split production between themselves? I remember Das Erste's MoMa being aa very plaid affair.


It sounds confusing, but this is an arrangement which dates back years, when the entire schedule until lunchtime was shared by the two broadcasters. Most shows have been separate since 1999, but cooperation on the news bulletins at 9/10/12 lasted until 2012 and continues with the magazine shows.

ARD and ZDF simulcast, but they produce separate programmes which are broadcast in alternate weeks. Both broadcasters use different studios for both so you will see MoMa from Cologne (ARD/WDR) and Berlin (ZDF); the Mittagsmagazin at lunchtime is broadcast from Munich (ARD/BR) or Mainz (ZDF). Oh, and ARD's news bulletins come from Hamburg (NDR).

Next year, all change. Regional broadcaster RBB (Berlin-Brandenburg) will take over production of the ARD MiMa and both editions of MiMa will also come from ZDF's studios in Berlin – the broadcasters will swap weeks, producing MoMa and MiMa in alternate weeks instead of the same week, as currently.

A strange situation can occur when either channel is in sports mode, as the arrangement continues anyway and the ARD version will be seen only on ZDF...


Doesn't sport also create some interesting situations - where rights to major sporting events (Olympics for instance) are shared between ARD and ZDF ? ISTR that the channels do coverage on alternate days (so you get a normal schedule on Das Erste, but wall to wall sport on ZDF one day, but the next day Das Erste goes to an all sport schedule, and ZDF runs a normal schedule?) Or am I misremembering?


Indeed, and this arrangement has lasted a long time. Here are a few quotes from Timothy Green's 1972 book The Universal Eye: World Television in the Seventies:

"At the Olympics, ARD covers one day's events live, while ZDF has summaries later; next day it is ZDF's turn for the live broadcasts."

"Apollo moon-shots have been covered alternately; ARD did all the live televising on Apollo 12, ZDF took Apollo 13, ARD Apollo 14. When Apollo 13 ran into difficulties on the way to the moon and made its dramatic return to earth ZDF had the splashdown exclusively, although ARD were permitted to show it later on the regular news."
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This has been posted in this thread before, but for those who missed it, here's a compilation of ARD's regional news intros from 2016. (The compilation does not include Land -specific news opt-outs, which air on some multi -Land ARD broadcasters, nor does it include WDR's city-specific local newscasts):

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WW Update
And here's an example of a sub-regional opt-out; NDR's news for the Land of Schleswig-Holstein:

NG
noggin Founding member
This has been posted in this thread before, but for those who missed it, here's a compilation of ARD's regional news intros from 2016. (The compilation does not include Land -specific news opt-outs, which air on some multi -Land ARD broadcasters, nor does it include WDR's city-specific local newscasts):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWU6MB4iCC0


Wow - there are some very 'interesting' virtual sets there...

HR's wide shot is so wide it looks like the dais is a floating island, and SR has made the mistake of giving everything in the VR space a lovely shiny reflection, except their presenter (who is keyed over it) doesn't have one, so it looks like she is hovering... (The SR title sequence is also a perfect example of 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should')

SWR Rheinland Pfalz's in contrast is understated and nicely implemented. Either a real floor or a very good matte VR one, and the timelapse backdrop is nicely 'low key'.
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globaltraffic24
There's a Moma (MorgenMagazine) on Das Erste as well, do ARD and ZDF split production between themselves? I remember Das Erste's MoMa being aa very plaid affair.


It sounds confusing, but this is an arrangement which dates back years, when the entire schedule until lunchtime was shared by the two broadcasters. Most shows have been separate since 1999, but cooperation on the news bulletins at 9/10/12 lasted until 2012 and continues with the magazine shows.

ARD and ZDF simulcast, but they produce separate programmes which are broadcast in alternate weeks. Both broadcasters use different studios for both so you will see MoMa from Cologne (ARD/WDR) and Berlin (ZDF); the Mittagsmagazin at lunchtime is broadcast from Munich (ARD/BR) or Mainz (ZDF). Oh, and ARD's news bulletins come from Hamburg (NDR).

Next year, all change. Regional broadcaster RBB (Berlin-Brandenburg) will take over production of the ARD MiMa and both editions of MiMa will also come from ZDF's studios in Berlin – the broadcasters will swap weeks, producing MoMa and MiMa in alternate weeks instead of the same week, as currently.

A strange situation can occur when either channel is in sports mode, as the arrangement continues anyway and the ARD version will be seen only on ZDF...


It really does sound like a confusing set up for all involved - the TV companies, presenters and viewers. I'm amazed it still happens to be honest.


The arrangement is actually - bizarrely - a legacy of Nazi Germany! Post-war, the Allies were adamant that Germany would have one of the most federalised structures in the world. The aim? To avoid the country feeling like 'one nation' which could see a return to far-right nationalism. The West German government eventually built up its confidence and pushed for a national public broadcaster, arguing that all other European nations had one, but it created huge political tensions, both internally and with other world powers. The German states run by SPD (Labour) parties took the Tory-led government to court to ban the new channel, and won. However, their case was based on the argument that broadcasting is devolved in Germany. The state governments supporting ZDF simply circumvented the legal ruling and signed up to a weird pact to run it like a network, but with no opts. It meant that it was a number of years before ZDF became a truly nationwide channel. The programme sharing was part of this peculiar arrangement. To this day, if you pay a TV license in Germany, it goes to your local government to pay for both your local ARD and ZDF. The Federal government has no specific control over it. As for the terrible VR sets, there is no explanation for that!
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WW Update
The arrangement is actually - bizarrely - a legacy of Nazi Germany! Post-war, the Allies were adamant that Germany would have one of the most federalised structures in the world. The aim? To avoid the country feeling like 'one nation' which could see a return to far-right nationalism.


The postwar public broadcasters also reflected the Allies' own radio traditions. For instance, the Americans, who favored local broadcasting, helped to set up (or maintain) smaller stations throughout the American Zone: Munich, Berlin, the northern city of Bremen, Stuttgart, and Frankfurt. The British, however, looked to the national BBC for inspiration, and set up a single large broadcaster for their zone: NWDR. (It wasn't until 1955 that NWDR was split into WDR and NDR, both of which are still above average in terms of the population they serve.)

For reference, here is a map of the Occupation Zones:

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The West German government eventually built up its confidence and pushed for a national public broadcaster, arguing that all other European nations had one, but it created huge political tensions, both internally and with other world powers. The German states run by SPD (Labour) parties took the Tory-led government to court to ban the new channel, and won.


"Tory-led"? Surely you meant conservative-led! (Only Commonwealth countries have Tories.)

As far as I know, FFG would have been a commercial venture, even though it was proposed by Adenauer. Its newscast would have been called Weltschau and would have aired at 7:30 p.m. FFG even signed a film-sharing agreement with CBS. Interestingly, the broadcaster also planned a morning show -- more that three decades before ARD and ZDF launched theirs! It would have been Europe's first.

Some more details from German-language Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freies_Fernsehen_Gesellschaft
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JA
JAS84
Here's a map showing how Germany is split into nine ARD regions:

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Is MDR overdue a rebrand? It's the only one without the ARD (1) logo on it.
AG
AxG
JAS84 posted:
Here's a map showing how Germany is split into nine ARD regions:

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Is MDR overdue a rebrand? It's the only one without the ARD (1) logo on it.

Hope not, since they rebranded last year, modifying the logo.
HA
Hazimworks
Still in the topic of German TV news, SRF cancelled its edition of 10 vor 10 (SRF's late night news) last week due to a server crash, instead airing a repeat of Tagesschau which was aired earlier in the evening.

RK
Rkolsen
Still in the topic of German TV news, SRF cancelled its edition of 10 vor 10 (SRF's late night news) last week due to a server crash, instead airing a repeat of Tagesschau which was aired earlier in the evening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I7MZNa__g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yvQe-jF_Sg


That's pretty bad. To preempt one show but two days in a row? Any word on what type of server went kaput? It looks like they were able get on air, with a simple choma key (or is that screen), and have the ability to playout an earlier episode (unless* the network played it out again).

*Maybe I got it wrong but wasn't mentioned that they set up an affiliate style system? If so they count retransmits while the others are local.
MQ
Mr Q
Still in the topic of German TV news, SRF cancelled its edition of 10 vor 10 (SRF's late night news) last week due to a server crash, instead airing a repeat of Tagesschau which was aired earlier in the evening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I7MZNa__g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yvQe-jF_Sg


That's pretty bad. To preempt one show but two days in a row? Any word on what type of server went kaput? It looks like they were able get on air, with a simple choma key (or is that screen), and have the ability to playout an earlier episode (unless* the network played it out again).

*Maybe I got it wrong but wasn't mentioned that they set up an affiliate style system? If so they count retransmits while the others are local.

I think it was only down one night. My German is a bit patchy, but I'm pretty sure the second video is a lengthy apology for the failure the previous night (first video), before proceeding with the programme as normal.
HA
Hazimworks
Still in the topic of German TV news, SRF cancelled its edition of 10 vor 10 (SRF's late night news) last week due to a server crash, instead airing a repeat of Tagesschau which was aired earlier in the evening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I7MZNa__g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yvQe-jF_Sg


That's pretty bad. To preempt one show but two days in a row? Any word on what type of server went kaput? It looks like they were able get on air, with a simple choma key (or is that screen), and have the ability to playout an earlier episode (unless* the network played it out again).

*Maybe I got it wrong but wasn't mentioned that they set up an affiliate style system? If so they count retransmits while the others are local.

These two news articles that I found are saying that the cancellation was because of a "fault in the video interface".

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/kultur/fernsehen/10-vor-10-faellt-wegen-technischer-probleme-aus/story/30529863
https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/panorama/vermischtes/10-vor-10-wegen-technischer-probleme-ausgefallen-131600019

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