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dvboy8,245 posts since 11 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
Bringing the ESPN story back to the UK could their current woes be the opportunity for BT to finally dump the ESPN branding. Not sure if the channel is a joint venture or whether BT just licence the name but suspect any value retaining the ESPN branding had initially for BT has now gone now they're established as BT Sport.


The ESPN branding doesn't add anything. Yes, there is a lot of content which is a direct rebroadcast of ESPN, but there are also direct rebroadcasts of other US networks, and they don't just get broadcast on BT Sport ESPN. Likewise there are sports that you wouldn't associate with the ESPN brand going out on BT Sport ESPN. In a similar way that the BT Sport Europe brand caused problems, they would be better off rebranding it as BT Sport 4, and I suspect the only reason they haven't is because they are tied to a seven-year deal that started in 2015.

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/bt/pressreleases/bt-sport-and-espn-deepen-relationship-with-long-term-collaboration-1116647
Rkolsen1,185 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
Rumors are rife about the formation even more leftwing "news" source formed outta the ashes of FOX NEWS. Ugh. Alies resurfaces?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-advanced-talks-underway-for-new-conservative-network-amid-fears-fox-news-moving-too-far-left/


Another Conservative talk network (I refuse to use the term News in this situation as there is really no such thing as Conservative News) will just spread the remaining audience more thinly.

Alongside Fox News Channel, you already have One America News Network, which was the original home of Tomi Lahren before The Blaze snapped her up; The Blaze and NewsMax TV, not to mention Fox's Business Network. How there is going to be room for another Conservative talk channel in an already crowded marketplace with most channels struggling to gain traction, is something I can't fathom.


It's a shame liberal talk radio never took off in the US. There was Air America but that shuttered its doors. Now there's SiriusXM Progress on satellite for progressives but there's several stations catering to the conservative audience: Fox News Headlines, Fox News Talk, The Blaze Radio, and I guess Rural Radio is conservative.

Back to Fox - Who do you guys think will be the US equivalent to Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson (He was the one that took the fall right?)?
Brekkie27,044 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
Bringing the ESPN story back to the UK could their current woes be the opportunity for BT to finally dump the ESPN branding. Not sure if the channel is a joint venture or whether BT just licence the name but suspect any value retaining the ESPN branding had initially for BT has now gone now they're established as BT Sport.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
Inspector Sands10,632 posts since 25 Aug 2004
I think we lost something around the turn of the century, ITV/BBC dont have good old cheap game shows, it wasn't about the prizes, it really was about wining some cash and a washing machine.

You're right in that they don't have cheap prime time quiz shows any more but as I say in the post above, there's plenty where it's about the taking part rather than the prize.


The change to winning money rather than objects is an interesting thing though. I suppose compared with the 80s things are cheaper. A video recorder as a prize 30 years ago was wow! But the equivalent today is what? Something you can pick up online for a few hundred quid.

It's one of the reasons why burglaries are less common these days - things like consumer electronics have got cheaper (and of course it's easier to nick portable devices from pockets and pub tables than breaking into houses)
Inspector Sands10,632 posts since 25 Aug 2004

We've kind of gone back 20 years now with recent new shows, even primetime shows, seeming to offer a maximum of around £25,000 whilst just a few years ago ten times that was the standard.

Although there's still that culture here of a quiz as fun or as a challenge rather than as a way of making winning of money. The longest running quiz shows on British TV are all those where there's no monetary prize: Mastermind, University Challenge and Countdown. And there's their more modern peer, Only Connect,as well as 15 to 1 which was successful in its day.


The prizes on Pointless and Eggheads are paltry but it's the prestige of winning and the play along factor that make them successful


It's something very British, the US would never have a game show that you could win a season and walk away with a trophy. The cultural difference is shown by the way that, with a couple of exceptions (Whose Line being the main one) the Americans don't really get panel shows. The TV execs just don't get the point of having a game where there's no scores and no one wins. Their equivalent of HIGNFY or The News Quiz - Wait Wait Don't Tell Me - has a proper quiz element in it
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62305818,835 posts since 19 Aug 2005
STV Central Reporting Scotland
I think we lost something around the turn of the century, ITV/BBC dont have good old cheap game shows, it wasn't about the prizes, it really was about wining some cash and a washing machine. The Chase is different, its like you really have to make some real effort but it still fun, especial with those questions appeared

Is that the reason why Deal or No deal got commissioned? Mind you did anyone on here spot the pattern of the boxes before there had to start pulling the values out of a hat?
Is the next post dreaded?
Neil Jones3,479 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Pretty much went full circle then - no limits back in the 1950s, and a cap that only came about because of the Twenty One scandal. Apparently revised in the 1980s and then dropped entirely in the 1990s. Not uncommon now for daytime shows to give away £10k at the drop of a hat, and peak time, well six figure sums are easily possible.

We've kind of gone back 20 years now with recent new shows, even primetime shows, seeming to offer a maximum of around £25,000 whilst just a few years ago ten times that was the standard.


I remember The Weakest Link was pulled up because it offered a theoretical jackpot of £10k, which was a high jackpot value for the turn of the century and the fact it was on daytime BBC Two. Okay nobody ever won anywhere near £10k on Weakest Link (as everybody looked absolutely drained after about four rounds) but it was a turning point in more ways than one - higher jackpots and moody hosts.
james-20011,592 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
The problem is that it's shallow, you only really care what happens up until they win, you don't care as much what happens afterwards unless you're a really dedicated fan.


To the point people don't even buy the winners single any more.

When Challenge showed the early series of Wheel of Fortune, the 1989 series touted its £4000 jackpot as being the biggest on british television up till that point (since the 50s anyway)- which seems pitifully low today!
Brekkie27,044 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
Pretty much went full circle then - no limits back in the 1950s, and a cap that only came about because of the Twenty One scandal. Apparently revised in the 1980s and then dropped entirely in the 1990s. Not uncommon now for daytime shows to give away £10k at the drop of a hat, and peak time, well six figure sums are easily possible.

We've kind of gone back 20 years now with recent new shows, even primetime shows, seeming to offer a maximum of around £25,000 whilst just a few years ago ten times that was the standard.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
Neil Jones3,479 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Pretty much went full circle then - no limits back in the 1950s, and a cap that only came about because of the Twenty One scandal. Apparently revised in the 1980s and then dropped entirely in the 1990s. Not uncommon now for daytime shows to give away £10k at the drop of a hat, and peak time, well six figure sums are easily possible.


As someone who for decades wondered why ITV game shows had such low value prizes, I was until now unaware of the reason. Having googled Twenty One, I am now much wiser, thanks for the pointer.


On a related note this might be of interest as well:
https://www.transdiffusion.org/2005/09/03/evolution

But yes, the Twenty One scandal changed a lot of things that we then lived with for years. You have to remember that at that time the authorities didn't want our commercial TV going the way American TV had, with commercials at a drop of a hat, product placement all over the place and, maybe more importantly in the case of Twenty One, giving away shed loads of money was ultimately a big no-no, not being an option again for another 40 odd years after Twenty One.