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MetalGearRex693 posts since 11 May 2016
London London
Still doesn't make sense to me that Youview channels were bought forward in the EPG to the 300s rather than extended into the 600s to keep the 300s as an option for Freeview channels. And although moving the adult channels to the back of the EPG is great in theory in reality that could put them between a CBeebies red button stream and Radio 1 - so even though they're not broadcasting in the day it's still not ideal. Would be better to use the connected service as a buffer.

What's the plan for 140-199 then - are they just being sensible and future proofing or do they perhaps plan to perhaps add other genres - hopefully shopping. There's also enough channels now to justify a film section IMO,, and although Film4 could be the big loser in such a move I think the other channels would ultimately benefit, whilst Film4 heading the section should offset the move from LCN15.

As for the short channels - I think it's simple. If you broadcast for less than 3 hours a day you go into an overspill section.

A shopping section would reduce clutter on the Freeview EPG but destroy QVC and Ideal World's prominent position on the platform. No plans to segregate entertainment and shopping channels as laid out by Digital UK.

140-199 is dedicated for the rest of the entertainment/shopping channels. I'd expect the rest of the 90s to be filled up when they implement the changes - and with the DVB-T2 switch coming from 2017 I'd expect more channels to occupy the latter part of the 140-199 slots. It'd also allow ITV4 and Be's time shifts to rise up from EPG squat status, on COM4 at least.

News and documentary channels do need a boost though on Freeview. Wouldn't mind if channels like PBS America, CNN, France 24, etc, get a place on the platform.
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MetalGearRex693 posts since 11 May 2016
London London
http://www.a516digital.com/2016/10/bbc-uhd-internet-first-freeview-very.html?m=1

The BBC plans to offer 4K content first on the iPlayer - before launching a channel showcasing 4K material.

Before thinking twice about a new 4K service, BBC One and Two HD are planned to have regions and nations rolled out throughout 2017/18 - killing off any need for an SD simulcast. I'd also imagine that the switch to DVB-T2 on Freeview will influence this. Expect this 4K channel on possibly PSB3, because PSB1 will be swamped with HD streams of ONE, TWO, FOUR/CBeebies, CBBC and the News channel.
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Charlie Wells3,533 posts since 26 Nov 2003 Moderator
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
Before thinking twice about a new 4K service, BBC One and Two HD are planned to have regions and nations rolled out throughout 2017/18 - killing off any need for an SD simulcast.

The SD simulcast is presumably still needed though for all those TVs which have only Freeview and not Freeview HD. I doubt those who've recently brought a TV with Freeview built in (that supports DVB-T2) would be too happy in buying an external adaptor.
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noggin11,957 posts since 26 Jun 2001
http://www.a516digital.com/2016/10/bbc-uhd-internet-first-freeview-very.html?m=1

The BBC plans to offer 4K content first on the iPlayer - before launching a channel showcasing 4K material.

Yep - the first BBC UHD broadcast was via iPlayer a few years ago (though very low-key) with the Queen's Christmas message (aka The Queen's Speech) being produced in UHD and available on a small number of UHD sets via iPlayer.

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Before thinking twice about a new 4K service, BBC One and Two HD are planned to have regions and nations rolled out throughout 2017/18 - killing off any need for an SD simulcast. I'd also imagine that the switch to DVB-T2 on Freeview will influence this.


Yep - the BBC will be able to retire the SD channels once DVB-T is replaced entirely by DVB-T2. Until then they will need to simulcast.

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Expect this 4K channel on possibly PSB3, because PSB1 will be swamped with HD streams of ONE, TWO, FOUR/CBeebies, CBBC and the News channel.


Possibly - but it's important to remember that with future changes to UHF broadcast spectrum, we may lose a couple of muxes (COM7 and COM8 are potentially short-lived) so even with T2 we may not have the luxury of spectrum for UHD, even using HEVC/H265 compression.
DVB Cornwall6,469 posts since 4 Dec 2003
Westcountry Spotlight
I'd be delighted if the above scenario was to happen, however all I've seen seems to indicate NO extension of T2, indeed contraction of HD services on the platform in the shortterm. Allegedly Ofcom are unwilling to proceed as part of 700MHz clearance, and it'll be 2020 at least before T > T2 conversion occurs for any of the 5 T multiplexes.
MetalGearRex693 posts since 11 May 2016
London London
Before thinking twice about a new 4K service, BBC One and Two HD are planned to have regions and nations rolled out throughout 2017/18 - killing off any need for an SD simulcast.

The SD simulcast is presumably still needed though for all those TVs which have only Freeview and not Freeview HD. I doubt those who've recently brought a TV with Freeview built in (that supports DVB-T2) would be too happy in buying an external adaptor.

Once DVB-T2 is a standard for all Freeview muxes I can expect the BBC to switch off the SD streams.

In the case of PSB2, ITV is trying to set up more regions available for the HD channel. Not sure about Channel 4 but Channel 5 lacked any regions since Viacom took over, making it an easy switch. With bandwidth extended to 40Mbps per mux, PSB2 now has an advantage of finally being able to add ITV3 and Be to the mux, aside from three HD streams for ITV, C4, C5. It'd also have a knock-on effect on other ITV services on COM4, particularly CITV.

It's all down to conversion of DVB-T2 and the rollout of regions and nations for ONE and TWO HD.
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Markymark4,199 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
In my opinion the 700 MHz clearance is just another step closer to the total abandonment of DTT as a platform.

It'll be gone, possibly as early as 2025 I think.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, and there'll be plenty of folk seriously inconvenienced, but hey, welcome to the 21st century, plenty of other examples outside of broadcasting.
Inspector Sands10,301 posts since 25 Aug 2004
BBC Regional News on BBC One HD is long overdue. Will be great when it has all switched over.

Though it's worth remembering that they took a good few years until BBC 1 digital had them on all platforms.


As I understand it, regions on HD aren't that far away as there's big technical changes and upgrades happening. But there's been no announcement or timetable
Markymark4,199 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
BBC Regional News on BBC One HD is long overdue. Will be great when it has all switched over.

Though it's worth remembering that they took a good few years until BBC 1 digital had them on all platforms.


As I understand it, regions on HD aren't that far away as there's big technical changes and upgrades happening. But there's been no announcement or timetable


One major factor will be the current migration of the BBC's circuits contract from Vodafone, (back) to BT