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Red or Black?

Saturday at 7pm on ITV (September 2011)

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RI
Rijowhi

I despise the very premise of gameshows like Red or Black or Deal or No Deal. No skill, no knowledge, just chance. What IS the point of them? I just don't get them.

Red and Black is rubbish. But Deal or No Deal is all about personalty and judging the odds, it's not all about chance there is a lot more too it than that.


I think Red or Black is not very good either, though to be honest is well made. Reminds me of a bigger version of You Bet but without celebrities or Matthew Kelly. All flash, no substance.
LM
Lee M
Looks like it got thumped again last night, according to this tweet from The Sun's TV Editor:

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Cod_Rob Colin Robertson
Blimey. For the first half of #redorblack's opener last night less than three million people were watching (ex HD).


First half of opener was up against Eastenders, so not completely surprising, but I bet when expectations were high before it began, ITV expected it to do much, much better against Eastenders when they clash, even though it was highly unlikely it would win the slot.
JA
JAS84
And the results show was up against the Big Brother launch. Yeah, yesterday's episode was doomed to flop.
IS
Inspector Sands
I think Red or Black is not very good either, though to be honest is well made. Reminds me of a bigger version of You Bet but without celebrities or Matthew Kelly. All flash, no substance.

On the other side of the coin, BBC1's Epic Win is a smaller version of You Bet, it's not great but does at least do it with a dose of humour and not taking itself seriously.

Very pleased to hear that Watchdog beat Red or Black.
Proves that decent content from a small studio can beat overblown hyperbole coming from an arena.

Arena quiz/game shows rarely work. I seem to remember that after Gladiators was a big success, both the BBC and ITV tried big budget, high concept big arena shows.... and none of them worked. Anyone else remember Happy Families ('hoist up your granny'), Ice Warriors or Tenball?

Of course in the end the big hit shows - Millionaire, Weakest Link and Deal or No Deal all came from intimate studios, were simple formats and apart from Millionaire launched with small budgets and no hype
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 10 September 2011 10:59am - 2 times in total
JA
JAS84
I get the feeling it will not be back..... Laughing
Not sure why you bothered spoiler tagging that. Anyway, I hear it's already been recommissioned.
FA
fanoftv
JAS84 posted:
I get the feeling it will not be back..... Laughing
Not sure why you bothered spoiler tagging that. Anyway, I hear it's already been recommissioned.


I'm not sure if the arena part & pre records take away the drama of the initial show. Having the studio audience as the contestants, even if they have to have OB's outside the studio could work to have everything live, to add that spark in. I think the stripping across the week doesn't work, as each show is a separate entity. They could have done with stripping something like DUEL all week to capture an audience as the contestants used to roll over.

If ITV want anything stripping at this time of year, they should look to boost the amount of audition programmes commissioned of the X Factor. And have the final auditions stripped across the week.
JB
JasonB
I saw the show for the first time last night. I see they've borrowed Bully's prize Board for the end game! Wink
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VMPhil
Very pleased to hear that Watchdog beat Red or Black.

Proves that decent content from a small studio can beat overblown hyperbole coming from an arena.


Watchdog is just as bad. It hasn't been nearly as good as it once was since the show was relaunched a couple of years back with Anne Robinson. Much preferred Julia and Nick. They've done the wrong thing with merging it with Rogue Traders, that's too light-hearted.
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
When will ITV learn that if you oversell/hype a new show (months in advance) the press will be waiting to heavily criticise it if they can find a fault with it. Daybreak springs to mind as an example of over hyping a new show followed by it receiving negative publicity in the press.
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Brekkie
If they hadn't hyped it though people would just be putting it flopping down to a lack of promotion. The simple fact is it's a weak format - and most people have said that since the moment it was announced.
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Badger264
When will ITV learn that if you oversell/hype a new show (months in advance) the press will be waiting to heavily criticise it if they can find a fault with it. Daybreak springs to mind as an example of over hyping a new show followed by it receiving negative publicity in the press.


I completely agree. Even X Factor and BGT didn't get the initial hype, they both just happened to really take off.
IS
Inspector Sands
When will ITV learn that if you oversell/hype a new show (months in advance) the press will be waiting to heavily criticise it if they can find a fault with it. Daybreak springs to mind as an example of over hyping a new show followed by it receiving negative publicity in the press.

Yes, there's a lot to be said for a 'sleeper hit'.

Over-promoted shows are set up to fail as they'll never live up to that hype, but there's loads of examples of programmes that appear on air without anyone really noticing... and then grow to become huge

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