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noggin12,032 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Fascinating to see, I wish I'd been in yesterday to be able to see it in tandem with the broadcast version. In terms of the comparison with much older talkback recordings, I guess things like ENPS make a great deal of difference, nobody is shouting for scripts, everybody can see if packages are ready, the presenter can see which cameras they are using in the next sequence because it's all pre-planned, so it makes things a lot calmer and a lot less has to be said over talkback.


Yes - ENPS (and BASYS before it) revolutionised news production - though until the mid-to-late 90s paper scripts were still used rather than directing from screen in some BBC News control rooms (BBC World moved to screen directing before the One/Six/Ten I think - News 24 was screen based from launch, and by 1999 BBC One bulletins were)

George was still confirming cameras with Chris, and I think that is still the norm. The FM and Presenter will still be listening for camera direction from the director. The move away from tape TX to server in the early 00s allowed you a clearer view of what material was ready for TX, but even today you are still able to play directly from the edit suite should it not hit the playout server in time.

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I was surprised that the "Sonic Sophie" doesn't appear to have multiple voices (like a car sat nav) - it must be confusing when Sophie is presenting to also have her voice doing the counts? Also a bit surprised that there didn't seem to be a count into the regional opts, just a "nations and regions next" followed by "opt out, opt out". Did I understand what Chris said correctly that the system does count that down on the talkback circuit to the regions but presumably not heard in the gallery?

I think you can hear Huw's voice counting out of the regional opt. There may be a separate audio output carrying this count, so it is louder on regional talkback than Sophie's package counts (which are of less interest to Nations and English Regions)
noggin12,032 posts since 26 Jun 2001
The nations/regions have a busy sequence in and out of the One/Six/Ten headlines. They opt away from the last trail at 59:50 to a regional BBC One Ident, 10 seconds, naming national and regional presenters. Then network for the national headlines, then opt for 12 seconds for the local headline then back to the network.


In the nations, where is the 'opt out' cutting done, in pres, or in the news gallery ? (the latter using London output as an external source ?)


I think it takes place in Pres usually. In Wales it would have to I think - as the local news gallery is SD.
scottishtv1,495 posts since 6 Nov 2001
STV Central Reporting Scotland
The nations/regions have a busy sequence in and out of the One/Six/Ten headlines. They opt away from the last trail at 59:50 to a regional BBC One Ident, 10 seconds, naming national and regional presenters. Then network for the national headlines, then opt for 12 seconds for the local headline then back to the network. In the One and Six there's then a half-way regional opt, which hasn't got a fixed on air time, so one ear needs to be kept on the network talkback / eye on the national running order.

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Steve in Pudsey7,831 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
The move away from tape TX to server in the early 00s allowed you a clearer view of what material was ready for TX, but even today you are still able to play directly from the edit suite should it not hit the playout server in time.


Indeed, I think Chris was trying to get a feed from an edit suite set up in the minutes before tx.
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Asa3,193 posts since 22 Mar 2001 Administrator
Meridian (South East) South East Today
After a busy couple of days I've only just got around to watching this and don't have much to add other than the fact that I found it absolutely fascinating. Really great to see just what is involved in putting the programme together and I'd encourage anyone to pop it on for an hour!
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noggin12,032 posts since 26 Jun 2001
I think it's been said that they can do it either way, either as a soft opt and the news studio does it or pres does it, depending on what is operationally more convenient on the day.


That would be possible in Glasgow and Belfast, which both have HD news galleries, but AIUI Cardiff is still SD, so couldn't soft-opt on BBC One Wales HD?
Rkolsen1,077 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World

The 'chryons' are all inserted in the gallery, though referred to as Astons generally, despite the fact that it's actually done by a Viz! Name astons on packages are all done by Mosart. When on News Channel mode, story astons and other manual astons are done by a text producer, who is on the back row in the gallery.

The lower thirds are all seen on the main TX monitor (right) in front of the director. The Six (on BBC One) doesn't have a ticker on it, so that's why the main TX monitor appeared to be clean most of the time. (Any gallery outputting to several tx destinations can have different ticker/logo/styles as required).

Thanks. I didn't catch it. It seemed one second when they showed the gallery output there were no astons but when it appeared on the multiviewer there was a ticker.

I think it's been said that they can do it either way, either as a soft opt and the news studio does it or pres does it, depending on what is operationally more convenient on the day.


Is the soft opt noticeable when the news gallery takes over?
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Markymark4,290 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
It shouldn't be in the nations. It used to be in the regions when things were analogue.


Yes, operationally I assume 'soft' and 'hard' opting are only terms and procedures that apply in the regions, not nations?

The nations are essentially how the ITV regions used to be, running their own schedule ( albeit cut and pasted from London for significant periods) and having full pres and playout facilities. I'd forgotten Cardiff still has an SD news gallery, so Noggin is quite right, the 'opting' ( as such) has to currently be performed in pres. Glasgow and Belfast could do it in either control room
Steve in Pudsey7,831 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
The nations used to soft opt for every junction at one time, but in more recent years stay in circuit.

I think some nations, before there were HD complications, would have the news studio take the network feed as an OS and cut to that at 18:00 and let news do the whole headline sequence. That was/is still known as soft opting.
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TonyCurrie303 posts since 19 Sep 2003
STV Central Reporting Scotland
That's how we still do it in Scotland - Studio C presents the NET 1 feed and we cut to it at the TOTH after our own junction. Once the headline sequence is over we cut away from the studio to the network clean feed; go back just before the midpoint headlines; then come out until the main programme. Studio does the soft opts in and out of network for the headline sequences, but presentation does the hard opt at 6.30.
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