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JD
JDN
JDN posted:
No. 10.45 is the first and now only time they can do a full round up of the evenings results and shiuldn't be sacrificed in favour of a free half hour advertisement for an industry which on the whole wants to harm the BBC.


Does the presenter who reads the 10:45 and 11:45 sport updates also present the bulletins on BBC World?

The only other way is to give the back half hour at 9.30 a 30 minute sport programme?

No they don't, except for the insert in Outside Source.

There is a separate BBC World News presenter shift starting with the 23:45 bulletin.


Thanks.
BP
Bob Paisley
JDN posted:
House posted:
And am I the only one who would see a benefit in scrapping the 10:45 sports day in favour of a 25-30 minute edition of The Papers? The only real cost, I would imagine, is organising the two guests (who will be there regardless) so surely it's cheaper than keeping the BBC sports centre staffed until midnight? Would also explain how The Papers could more easily have a 00:30 showing.

No. 10.45 is the first and now only time they can do a full round up of the evenings results and shiuldn't be sacrificed in favour of a free half hour advertisement for an industry which on the whole wants to harm the BBC.


Does the presenter who reads the 10:45 and 11:45 sport updates also present the bulletins on BBC World?

The only other way is to give the back half hour at 9.30 a 30 minute sport programme?


I don't think there's enough sports news around to justify a half-hour show every night. Even the Sportsdays on a Saturday and Sunday evening rarely fill a full half-hour. They'd never manage it on a Thursday in July.
JD
JDN
JDN posted:
No. 10.45 is the first and now only time they can do a full round up of the evenings results and shiuldn't be sacrificed in favour of a free half hour advertisement for an industry which on the whole wants to harm the BBC.


Does the presenter who reads the 10:45 and 11:45 sport updates also present the bulletins on BBC World?

The only other way is to give the back half hour at 9.30 a 30 minute sport programme?


I don't think there's enough sports news around to justify a half-hour show every night. Even the Sportsdays on a Saturday and Sunday evening rarely fill a full half-hour. They'd never manage it on a Thursday in July.


Yeah, that is true. I was thinking like how CNN has half hour sport editions, but they pad it out with around 5 breaks.
IL
i-lied
Yes, it'll need quite a bit of capacity on satellite for the BBC to upgrade BBC One in England and BBC Two for the nations. Also, no movement on those till 2017 but if the BBC can get their act together and convince everyone with an old TV or SD satellite receiver to upgrade to the latest model then they could quite easily (with the backend improvements) make everything they broadcast currently HD, MPEG-4 and DVB-S2, like has already been done in France and Germany on satellite and put local versions on 101/102 on Freeview HD, maybe keeping the SD version there on 1/2. I understand as well, all TV's now have to support Freeview HD.

That's quite tricky.

It's important to remember that SD Freesat-from-Sky boxes were provided to a number of households (funded by licence fee income through the DSO plan) that only had analogue equipment and were on limited incomes. If you rendered those obsolete you'd need to consider a way of replacing them I guess.

Just had a quick check on Lyngsat, and lots of German regional stuff is still SD MPEG2 on DVB-S.

WDR for instance. SD is MPEG2, HD is H264 - but ALL on DVB-S transponders to ensure old SD MPEG2 only receivers can receive them (as they mix SD and HD on the same mux)
NDR, MDR, RBB, SWF are all SD MPEG2 DVB-S and HD H264 DVB-S2.

Or have the German changes you heard about not change yet? It is true that they are migrating from DVB-T MPEG2 to DVB-T2 HEVC/H265 terrestrially (allowing them to start HD terrestrial broadcasts) - but that wasn't what you said?

France 3 have switched their regions to DVB-S2 at 19.2E (aka TNTSat) but still broadcast a non-regional version in SD on DVB-S. However they haven't done this on their alternative versions at 5W (aka Fransat) yet (which are all SD MPEG2 still)



Also - I don't think the 'All TV's must support Freeview HD' rule has quite kicked in 100% yet, think we may still be in the 'TVs over a certain size' timescale, unless we've just ticked over.


This is why I said the BBC could upgrade those who have old SD boxes.

Sky in Germany are now broadcasting solely on DVB-S2 transponders. I admit the public broadcasters haven't changed over yet and are simulcasting SD and HD but even then the HD versions are 720p not 1080i.

CanalSat have migrated all of their transponders to DVB-S2 and have turned off SD variants in the most part. The French Government announced recently that their version of Freeview (TNT) is going HD only in April so CanalSat will turn off the rest of the SD broadcasts then (probably) and they started this process on the 1st July last year.
LL
London Lite Founding member
The French Government announced recently that their version of Freeview (TNT) is going HD only in April so CanalSat will turn off the rest of the SD broadcasts then (probably) and they started this process on the 1st July last year.


Will this mean the likes of D8 and NRJ12 will go HD or simply stay in SD using DVB-T2?
RR
RR
Also - I don't think the 'All TV's must support Freeview HD' rule has quite kicked in 100% yet, think we may still be in the 'TVs over a certain size' timescale, unless we've just ticked over.

Also, when it does, the missing word is "new" TVs - given reliability, it will be some time before virtually everyone has upgraded / changed their sets
DV
DVB Cornwall
RR posted:
Also - I don't think the 'All TV's must support Freeview HD' rule has quite kicked in 100% yet, think we may still be in the 'TVs over a certain size' timescale, unless we've just ticked over.

Also, when it does, the missing word is "new" TVs - given reliability, it will be some time before virtually everyone has upgraded / changed their sets


The problem is that this switchover or DSO2 isn't broadcaster led, it's clearly being regulator pressed. The demands for 700Mhz are growing and with 5G's imminent arrival too. It's going to happen. I suspect that the catchup exercise on DVB-T only receivers will need to be funded by the Mobile industry and not broadcasters, the shift to DVB-T2 being precipitated by them. It wouldn't surprise me if the date of DSO2 isn't announced later this year.
IL
i-lied
The French Government announced recently that their version of Freeview (TNT) is going HD only in April so CanalSat will turn off the rest of the SD broadcasts then (probably) and they started this process on the 1st July last year.


Will this mean the likes of D8 and NRJ12 will go HD or simply stay in SD using DVB-T2?


All channels are switching to MPEG-4 HD but using DVB-T. This is to save money so they can reduce the multiplexes from 8 to 6.
IL
i-lied
RR posted:
Also - I don't think the 'All TV's must support Freeview HD' rule has quite kicked in 100% yet, think we may still be in the 'TVs over a certain size' timescale, unless we've just ticked over.

Also, when it does, the missing word is "new" TVs - given reliability, it will be some time before virtually everyone has upgraded / changed their sets


True but anyone who goes out and buys a new TV will have Freeview HD.
NG
noggin Founding member

This is why I said the BBC could upgrade those who have old SD boxes.

With what and why?
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Sky in Germany are now broadcasting solely on DVB-S2 transponders.

They are a commercial Pay-TV operation, what they do is up to them. They are only there to make money.
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I admit the public broadcasters haven't changed over yet and are simulcasting SD and HD but even then the HD versions are 720p not 1080i.

That is because, like many PSBs in Europe,they have followed the EBU roadmap and gone 720p not 1080. It looks like ZDF will be going 1080/50p when they launch on DVB-T2 HEVC, though Das Erste are sticking with 720/50p.
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CanalSat have migrated all of their transponders to DVB-S2 and have turned off SD variants in the most part.

Again - a commercial operation - not a PSB.
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The French Government announced recently that their version of Freeview (TNT) is going HD only in April so CanalSat will turn off the rest of the SD broadcasts then (probably) and they started this process on the 1st July last year.


Isn't it TNTSat vs Fransat though ? TNTSat have gone DVB-S2 already, but Fransat are still DVB-S?
LL
London Lite Founding member
RR posted:
Also - I don't think the 'All TV's must support Freeview HD' rule has quite kicked in 100% yet, think we may still be in the 'TVs over a certain size' timescale, unless we've just ticked over.

Also, when it does, the missing word is "new" TVs - given reliability, it will be some time before virtually everyone has upgraded / changed their sets


True but anyone who goes out and buys a new TV will have Freeview HD.


So called 'HD Ready' sets with DVB-T only tuners are still on sale.
IL
i-lied

With what and why?

If you read my earlier post, to upgrade viewers to an HD box, enabling them to switch offSD broadcasts on sat in order to save money and already be in HD.
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They are a commercial Pay-TV operation, what they do is up to them. They are only there to make money.

Yes they are a Pay-TV operator but Germany went digital so late that all the boxes will be DVB-S2 compatible already. It's also a cost-saving exercise. If they can run DVB-S2 transponders with more capacity then they need less transponders - hence a model the cash-strapped BBC can follow.
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That is because, like many PSBs in Europe,they have followed the EBU roadmap and gone 720p not 1080. It looks like ZDF will be going 1080/50p when they launch on DVB-T2 HEVC, though Das Erste are sticking with 720/50p.

It means though they can fit more on the transponder!
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Again - a commercial operation - not a PSB.

Getting ahead of TNT in this case and saying to the French Government that we can do this before you.
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Isn't it TNTSat vs Fransat though ? TNTSat have gone DVB-S2 already, but Fransat are still DVB-S?


No. FranSat are run by the Government so will presumably switchover when TNT does on the ground. The idea behind them is to allow the parts of the country who can't get an adequate signal with an aerial to pick up the TNT service. The switchover to HD only is a cost saving measure and other platforms are merely following suit.

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