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Whataday6,769 posts since 13 Sep 2001
HTV Wales Wales Today
Philips apology is tounge in cheek i would assume, he's savvy enough to know what actually happened (and of course worked in the BBC's equivalent transmission area for years)


Yes it was clearly a tongue in cheek dig. The director asked for him to apologise for "transmission problems" but Phil took that to be "transmitter problems". Obviously a transmitter problem would be confined to a particular area, hence the sarcastic dig "it could possibly be in your area but of course there's nothing wrong with anything leaving our studio".

Right at the start of the clip, notice the director says "Emma up on the tower", presumably to ensure she is up there ready for a few minutes time. But as soon as he says this, Emma on VT starts speaking, and then VT fast forwards. Is it possible that VT hears this as a cue and assumes when Emma starts speaking, she's on the tower speaking live?
Steve Williams1,714 posts since 1 Aug 2008
Yes it was clearly a tongue in cheek dig. The director asked for him to apologise for "transmission problems" but Phil took that to be "transmitter problems". Obviously a transmitter problem would be confined to a particular area, hence the sarcastic dig "it could possibly be in your area but of course there's nothing wrong with anything leaving our studio".


I think the other general point is that Pip presumably realises it's such an obvious cock-up that everyone can clearly see what's gone wrong.
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Larry the Loafer4,025 posts since 2 Jul 2005
Granada North West Today
The nervous laugh and looking side to side implies there was more to it than just a standard apology, especially when he keeps referring to fast-forwarding and emphasising that The Human League were live (even though they were blatantly miming, ironically). On one hand he could be trying to ram it down the viewers throats that they weren't pre-recorded at that point to try and shake off any accusations of fixing, but given how miffed he sounds after they come off air, there is a hint of that aforementioned passive-aggressiveness too.
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Steve in Pudsey7,744 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Interesting to note Bob's reference to the contestant going of to listen to a Max Bygraves record, given that Max would take over presenting the show a few years later.

Also, I'd forgotten that they did the credits via a camera pointing at the screen in the early days - any coincidence that Bob's Full House used the same tecnique some years later?
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Hatton Cross2,045 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
Other things of note from the early days...

No listing of the amount of answers to find down the left side of the board.

The wrong answer 'X's taking up most of the right hand side of the board.

Padding after the first contestant gave the answers in Big Money. Quite obvious it was stalling for time whilst the board operator manually entered the given answers.

The clock counting up from 00 to 15/20 during the Big Money round.

Bob shouting every answer..a lot.
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Neil Jones3,319 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
That set's more appealing (to me anyway) colour-wise compared to what came next, I presume it only changed to the less-appealing brown set after Central took over production, or did it change to that under ATV?

I know they were stuck with that scoreboard up until the end of the Bygraves era and had a shiny new (colour!) one put in for the first of the Les Dennis years in 1987, before replacing that with a more modern version of the original board, and it stuck until 2002.
james-20011,332 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
I think the brown set was still there under the later ATV series? Series 3 was I think made under ATV but partly broadcast after Central came on air, I think that had the brown set too.

It seems strange that so much of the first 3 series are missing (though I believe the majority exists via Bob's off air recordings), but then ATV were never that good at keeping stuff even right till the end, and I guess the franchise change made stuff even more vulnerable to vanishing. That's the reason why Challenge has never gone earlier than Series 4.

Not sure I can entirely trust what Lostshows.com says though, as it lists 2 episodes from series 4 that Challenge have shown- and similarly most of the episodes of Bulleye it claims are missing are shown on Challenge too.
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